LLD101

XxCold_DeathxX · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:

Thx for the props Dao. Wink

Didn't think I was worthy yet since all my items are only 5 months old since I stopped playing...I gotta stop doing that. Didn't know there was Clan rules involved...would like to play under clan rules but no one really follows them and no way to tell if someone does, not many ppl to duel either I would think. I have a hard time finding good ppl to duel as it is.
As for the non-teleport, I think that is unfair to make a rule like that...kinda like saying a necro isnt allowed to use bonewall/prison or barbs not allowed to BO. Maybe that is a rule ??? Anyway I think you should be allowed to use any skill that blizz gave you. However, they tried their hardest to stop the "rushing" so I can understand that rule.

Sorry got away from topic...

I rarely get caught by bone spirits unless they are invisible and I don't know how that heppens but it does and it kills me everytime (damn blizz programming)!

To speek on Belagon's(whatever his name is...no disrespect) mention on the FB sorc, blizz isnt the only thing i use to kill FB sorcs but tested true unless they have double the life and mana of my sorc i can out blast them with cold blast vs FB. Especially if someone would give me my ISO circlet Razz

It is faster and does go farther but as for more dmg..like i said hotspur or infernos take care of that. If u are gonna tele on top of me and spam FB u better make sure you can out cast me.

Again....I don't have the uberest gear yet still need that next FCR break point.

About my pally.....I think he is pretty uniq even though I stole him off of someone else's lvl 15 build Wink

But I am not yet rdy to post him...I wanna savor his uniqueness first Twisted Evil

But I promise one day soon I will post him.

P.S. posting my +2 martial circlet and glove stats right now on my other post the only other one I have lol.

SoaringSquirrel · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1549 0.00 Silvarrr

How does a fury druid beat a necro? I can understand if it's a very godly fury druid with perfect charms, but I'd think that the average fury druid would lose to the average necro because of low damage and not exceptional life.

Fire and cold sorceresses beat necros, but I think necro beats lightning. Lightening is probably the best build for killing other sorceresses, but fire is stronger than lightening overall vs other llds. Blizz is the coolest of the three though. Razz

Anyway, this is how I'd order it: fire sorc beats blizz sorc which beats bone necro, but I'd put necro as equal to the other two because his attacks are not as easily negated by hotspurs or stacked resist like the sorcs are.

Hellfireclanx · Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1198 11.73 Silvarrr

Trapper

probably the easiest good lld to build

don't make one though

Makaveli · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject:

necro > fb... with lld101 rules anyway.. necros have more range... so, if the necro has more r/w than the sorc, it should not lose... if it has less r/w, it would be more of a challenge, but i would still give the edge to the necro

dao, your right... necros can hit tele sorcs with spirit... if the necro can predict where the sorc is gonna tele, they will cast the spirits with their cursor near where they expect them to tele so it will hit them before they get a chance to tele again (especially since they will just be using 9 fps tele or slower because i dont think its possible to get 105 fcr without losing a good bit of damage on a lvl 30)

Belarathon · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:40 pm Post subject:

dao jones how can you stay off the screen of someone who can teleport? they can easily teleport to the edge of yuor screen and drop a blizz and tele out. I know how to duel a blizz sorc on a necro i had a nec lvl 30 who in his default gear negated the best possible lvl 30 cold mastery because i knew they were my main match. I still could barely beat the 2 top blizz sorcs on east and that's only because i had more rep life than them and lots of cold res. i am certain that if eithr one of them had about 15 more rep life they would have won for sure. and getting gear like that on a necro is kind of far fetched anyways.
makaveli, of course nec beats fb sorc when it's no teleport allowed. nec can beat fb sorc 95% of the time WITH teleport allowed. there aren;t many truly skilled teleporters especially with a fb sorc. it's easy to be good with tele on an orber or blizz. with fb and light it's harder to be good at teleing but maintain good aim.
Anyways if following the lld101 rules i really can't think of much that could beat a necro unless stacking cold res was banned (cold sorc) and bonewall was banned (hammerdin)
kc, fury druid beats a nec by being a lot faster of a runner and using a range 5 weapon, i think meitou's dog is something like, if you don;t have at least 150%frw then when you stop to shoot he will hit you.. and with almost 2k dmg at 4 frame it hurts quite a bit, and with whatever the life is like 2800 life , it takes awhile to kill him too.

Dao Jones · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject:

SoaringSquirrel · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1549 0.00 Silvarrr

I was talking about with tele because it's pointless to make a sorc w/o tele when it's available. Razz

As of yet, my level 30 non-hell rushed tele-blizz sorc has had little or no trouble with any level 30-35 necro, even when I'm dueling on a touchpad because of the stupid laptop! Maybe we should make our chars on open someday and duel for fun. Smile

Also, then I can see how powerful my sorc would be hell rushed, mwahaha.

Also, isn't 73% frw slow for a necro? I thought necros usually go for 100+ frw in lld.

I was thinking about making a fury druid as well but I figured ww barb would be cheaper and easier to make and almost as good until I finished my charms and got extra 22-24 max jewels to spare for a shield and helm to make a druid.

Knarl · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject:

Makaveli · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:

VoicesLLD · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject:

if a sorc has you named locked, they arent chasing you in the first place. you stand still when you name lock someone. name lock can also easily be "ditched" by runing behind a bush, or into a house, or past any other "line of sight" obstacle.

barbs need BO because they main opponent, the zealot, has far superior speed than them. they can hit much higher attack BPs, and thus the bigger life of a barb makes it a fair fight, coming down to ar/damage/defense.

necromancers dont need bonewalls to win, though many think they do. prison is banned, so it shouldnt even be brought up.

Belarathon · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:

doa jones i think most of us agree that necro beats sorc if it doesn't teleport, i didn't think that was what we were talking about. but if the sorc's teleport then soaring squirrel's order would be right imo... good fire will beat good cold, and good cold will beat good nec, but good nec can beat good fire.. basically only amazing fire sorc can beat a necro in lld usually, and that's still only if they don;t wear hotspur. if they wear hotspur the sorc would need to have over 2.5k damage and be super defensive but the nec's rep life would probably cover that anyways

Arcane[hoh] · Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 5:35 am Post subject:

off topic:

just for clarification, every 20 rep life is ~1 life healed a sec? or is it every 10?

SoaringSquirrel · Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 1549 0.00 Silvarrr

Which ranged chars could non-tele sorc beat? O_O

Bowzon would beat sorc, necro would beat sorc, trapsin would beat sorc, wind druid would beat sorc...all of these characters have advantages over the non-tele sorc, while the only advantage the sorc would have is higher damage, which can be negated, and their energy shield, which without tele can actually be a bad thing by bringing their mana down quickly and rendering them completely defenseless. Even with tele, there are certain characters that I still have trouble with using my lvl 30 norm rushed blizzer with almost all ideal gear (2 cold/magus/+3 blizz orb, 2/10 ammy, 2/20 circlet, +3 es 17 med insight on switch, full life charms some with mana, etc).

Anyway, forget about that, we've all been through this before and the only thing we discovered is that we're all stubborn old men. Razz

Okay, back on topic...I've been curious how a good lightning trapper does against a good sorc (the evil tele-pubbie sort Twisted Evil

), anyone know from experience? I would think that a godly trapper lvl 30 would beat sorc maybe.

meitou · Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 1661 4.11 Silvarrr