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heythattickles · Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: lvl18 dueler

ok...so.
i have made a zealer which of course was good. a kicker which was good.
and a regen smiter which for some reason gets completely owned by zealers. so far from what ive seen west is crawling with them!
only other builds i know of that are really good are conc barb and jabber.
my question is...what would be a good build vs zealer, pretty much an anti-zealer, but still be good against other lvl18s? or even 21s?
not a kicker or another zealer or smiter. and what is a 18regen smiter good against? oh yeah i also made an 18 fissure druid...which was laughable. i have no idea what i did wrong there. i had 3fissurepelt and everything...iono. oter than kicker and zealer i guess im lost...
sigh.
iso anti-zealer/semi competative all around lvl18
AND WHY MY OTHER BUILDS FAILED HORRIBLY!

Hades · Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 958 0.00 Silvarrr

You probably didn't play your fissure druid deffensively enough. Perhaps not enough frw/replenish.

A good alround level 18 I would say would be a spearmancer. +4 spear wands aren't to hard to shop (getting +4 10fcr is hard tho) +3 bonespear shields are quite easy to come by. (+4 bonespear with deflecting mods are harder) Tarnhelm (1pnb 10fcr circs I gambled about 20mill worth of circs and never got one for a nec lol, so for me it was hard) eye of elitch (1pnb 10fcr life amu) manalds/fcr mana rings. Stealth. Get alot of frw charms with mana on them then the a few life sc's.

These are effective with not the best of gear, but can destroy with real good gear. My wand came with + ironmaiden so if you feel like bming you can cast iron maiden on a zealer and spam bone wall around you, you can sit there and laugh. If they are abit wiser they will switch to sac, u should be to out pace them and kill with spears.

Btw your sigs a little on the large side.

Edit: I dont think regen smiters are that great to be fair, most do ok with throwing as a switch but still abit of a tedious build imo.
If you have the resources a bowzon is great at lvl 18, but quite expensive to build and can be susceptible to charge.

hellafireleli · Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:10 am Post subject:

Maybe make defiance zealer.
That way the dmg will be kept up to about 800, and your defence should be about 1k. that will stop most of them 2.5k ar zealers.

heythattickles · Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject:

i wanted to try an 18 bowa but i was afrid of if a melee got ahold of me i would be done...i would try a defiance zealer but i kinda dont want another zealer. although i am already in the process of accumulating zealer gear...what would the difference in gear be?

and i would love a lvl18 bone necro but i know the gear would be very hard to find and i doubt i could afford it...so ill think that will be a constant in-progress build until i find it all.

heprea · Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject:

mungloid · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 4:13 am Post subject:

hmmm defiance zealer u could use milabrega helmet and armour socket with 15 maxers i used milabregas on my 18 smiter with defiance and it worked very well for low cost armour

Kronik_LLD · Joined: 30 Jul 2008 Posts: 66 0.00 Silvarrr

Jabbers are always a good route to go too. If you get good enough war javelins a pimped out lvl 18 jabber is fun and can go toe-to-toe with zealers.

heythattickles · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject:

i thought about a jabber but 2 things.
1:i heard they are expensive.
2:i want a build that when te game gets overwhelmed by zealers i just will have no problem whasoever with them.

im in the proces of building several 18s. just trying to get a few more ideas.
ill attemp a jabber. and searching for bone nec gear ;]. but the defensive zealer sounded like a good idea. being as it is a cheaper-sounding build. i glanced at the stickies. and im going to continue searching now, but if someone could just tell me the differences in equipment that would be greatly appreciated.

continuind iso:lvl18 builds. anyting and everything.

heprea · Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject:

iv never made 18lvl defiance zealer, but it cant be too different from 15lvl zealer, so eh, lets see...

helm: cheap option: 60-65%ed 10life bone helm (+2 sockets from larzuk)
not so cheap: Eth & repair rare crown/bone helm with +%ed /life/ar%/ect

armor: cheap option: 60-65%ed -30%req ancient armor(+2socks from larzuk)
not so cheap: Eth & repair rare ancient armor with life/resists/-XXrequiments 1-2 open sockets

shield: ~65%ed / ~120ar sock Aerin/Crown shield 4 open sockets
(dunno if Eth 6x%edamge / 1xxar shield with 6x% edefense & 2 open sockets is worth sacrificing the 2 sockets from normal pala shield)

boots/belt/gloves: sigons
amulet/rings angelic

weapon: im not sure, i guess +3defiance/x/ s5 war scepter or something like that.

jewels are ofc gonna be the same as what you would use for normal zealer. and for charms use life/def sc's mixed with max dmg/ar/stat gc's or something like that.

volka · Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:40 am Post subject:

I guess lvl 18 conc baba would be good anti zealer (with like 5k def)
Also lvl 18 fb soso is FUN. Evil charge can be a pain too ofc, if the pally has 75 resis. check my guide ^^

Kronik_LLD · Joined: 30 Jul 2008 Posts: 66 0.00 Silvarrr

Wouldn't a def glitched 4os ancient armor be a better option for both a conc barb and defiance zealer? I don't see why a conc barb couldn't be a great choice, but I'm not sure about how much defense you could get. Or are def glitched armors considered banned or something, I don't really know the details I haven't glitched an armor in a long time.

Torrent · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject:

Not bm, just a waste of jewels when they run out of durability in most people's opinion.

Also, smiters really should have an advantage, you must have built it wrong.

heprea · Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject:

conc barbs can be also good idea, havent have any of thouse(though its one of thouse chars i always wanted to make, specialy 18lvl) so i cant really say anything for sure, but yeah like volka said, 5k def conc barb could be rather nice for killing most zealers :)

lld_newb · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 3:35 am Post subject:

I made a lvl 18 conc barb, using some pretty good gear, and i had some decent charms on him, he only had 2k def out of conc. If you can get 5k, my hats off to you O-o

heprea · Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:56 am Post subject:

with pretty much perfect gear u could get +6k def for 18lvl concer with prebuffs from +3shout helm and +1 siggy shield while using +3 ironskin/conc helm assuming that u can find one with perf ed, but hey as i said almost perf gear ;d.
(w/o even sacrificing anything critical)

but i guess, with average stuff you will get closer to 3k defense

but, im not too sure how the +defense% works when you are getting it from 3 different sources.

do they all just stack and you will add the percentage you get from them all to the base defense?

or do they work like somewhat like this:

1lets say we have base defense: 500
2then add ironskin: 30%
3which becomes 650
4then add shout 250%
5which becomes 2275
6finaly add 100% from conc
7which becomes 4550 ?

dunno if that made sense <.<