LLD101

[Jerkazoid]

ok before i start to think too much about kicker restrictions i want to ask how people feel about that 4-5 hit, 2 frame kick, knockbacking skill?

now i would like to post some stats on a lvl 22 i am dueling with. (ladder uswest,) bc i looking for other ladder westees to test out new stuff.

600life
4500 Ar
4 kicks; 100avg dmg
*5% chance to amp*
Goblin toes (had sanders, but went for crushing)
angelics: ammy + 2rings
Twitch
Tarnhelm (Perfect Sap)
Blood fists
steel clash with Pdiamond.

nokazon (backup)
deaths gloves (backup)

i have not had the oppurtunity to duel another great kicker or charger... and thinking about a good conc barb scares me.... but im doing ok so far. very impressive in the pub rooms as expected....(people with 500-800 dmg and 300-400 life)

anything else? ...

hmm i also made a lvl 20 Psych'r..... she only does 10 dmg (after pvp) with 105% cast,,,a bit of -dr and im worthless except as a KBer. but BOY is she a noob machine! i will remake this into a lvl 14 build as well..
i crafted a lvl 14req, 10% caster belt!!! WOOT! with the Maelstrom wand and some 10% jewelry this would be a total Jerk of a build! not something for lld 101 :p

[Knarl]

I've personally never dueled a kicksin IIRC. So I have no feelings on the skill being used in a duel...at least until I duel someone who uses it...

[Jerkazoid]

well mines 22 and she fairly good in the pub rooms.. taking on lvl 30-40 chargers druids WW barb and fire sorcs.. even semi builds.

100 dmg is a bit low for my taste but i hit hella fast with goblin toes and my +1 BT's have amp and two eths. i would do better if i was 25 using str rune word and better boots.. but i dont have that option on this build..

the 30 build would be damn tough. the +to skills should put her at 5 kicks 7/2.. the boots and str word should easily put the kicks at 300 dmg each, and shed be hella FAST.

27 is more reasonable i think. str claw. some dmg boots. blood gloves. hitting 200, 4 kick, should be easy.

im sure just a quick 27 build would beat me 3 out of 4

[Vudoo35]

ok, here goes.

http://www.rpgforums.net/showthread.php?t=127905

good article on kicks.

i've been doing alot of research and found a nice article on kick dmg.
I've built a proggie for calculating asn kick dmg. I'll post link on here later when i can find some webspace to put it. IN the mean time, if you want to use it, msg me at Lostbyondthevoid on AOL instant messenger.

I think this forum needs to expand to include a section for proggie post section.

Yea, 27 seems good about now. IM still making gear at the moment but its all good. I'll tell ya my stats n such. lol.

ps. i was doing 110 dmg kicks at lev 13. lol pwn this lev 18 pala. funny stuff.


o yea, forgot your ladder. im non-lad. ;x

[Vudoo35]

fun in pub duesl. lol. what can i say? glad u post this haha. My asn is tigh. When you get to lev 27, drop me a line so we can duel and go over items n such. I think i got all my bases covered. I still want a bit more dmg though. Still, at your lev, 22. You can still get 7/2 with decent dmg. least 200-300.

[Jerkazoid]

str pumping, Pgemming, tons o' +5 charms?

[Vudoo35]

ok, so far i got 3 types of item builds. here are the stats on life/dmg with each type.

[all using war boots (39-80 dmg) since it has best dmg at lev 27 and eth boots dont matter either since they do all the same dmg]

[note: open wounds does 9.2 dmg per sec for 8 sec in pvp. Total of around 80-90dmg for whole 8 sec. This is after pvp penalties]

One last note, These build on paper asumes that they have inventory full of 15 life sc. That would equal to 600 life. But if your on ladder, life will be lower of course.


Type 1: w/ open wounds + crush blow

Life build: 1066 life/ 448 dmg
dmg build: 853 life/ 578 dmg

Type 2: w/ crush blow

life build: 1151 life / 448 dmg
dmg build: 1007 life / 533 dmg

Type 3: with crush blow

life build: 1106 life / 460 dmg
dmg build: 893 life / 585 dmg


Ill get into the gear, items, skill, stats, ect later. I gotta take a break first. lol. been long valentines day.

[Jerkazoid]

with 4 kicks? so its about 200-220 each?

[Vudoo35]

pvp penalties are 1/6 isnt it?

[Jerkazoid]

no i meant,, wereu saying your 500 dmg is a product of:
listed DT dmg * X kicks ? wich was dumb of me casue ofcoruse thats not what your saying

bavo,, i had guessed 200 would be automatic at 27.. hitting 300-400 would be typical decent lld101 setup for 27...
(phhff!!! edit: more like 400-600)
so 500, your defienetly raising the bar and im still not sure how u did it.

i guess i could use a 30str mask instead of my mana tarn.. and i got my twitch waiting for something too.. 10 str sounds best .. better then 20% ed jewels now that i think i got the hand of this equation.

and, to be dead-on-balls its: 17% PVP dmg (basically 1/6)

and yes the anya bug is still there.. tested with Viet.

oh but heres a question.. could Crushing blow trigger hit recovery?

[Vudoo35]

umm im saying

500 per kick. not 500 over all. lol.

anywho... i did get my kicker to do 700 at the moment but thats sacraficing life. She only has like 700 life but does 700 dmg per kick.

IT just depends on the build type.. but you need enough life to tank a few hits. The only hard part is their blocking. WIth 75% block, its hard ot get in enough hits for them to die b4 they kill you with whatever.

if you wanted to try dmg build, 4 socket armor w/ str ( use pgems ) and use THe Ward shield witch has mad resist + nice block + 10 str. You can either socket it with Pdimon or str jewl.

im not sure if crush blow trig ani or not.

IM gunna have to find webspace to post files.. id do this 2morrow.

o yea, it says at bliz that dmg is 1/4.

[Knarl]

[Jerkazoid]

dragon talon and boot dmg is slightly bugged. im undergoing some tests when i can, but i might as well explain it now.

if u remove str and make your boots go red the Display lists your dmg as if they were still on
i tested to see if it was actualy being applied though.

i come to these conclusions as of now:

1) PVM dmg from unactive boots applies.
2) PVP dmg from unactive boots seems to NOT apply (edit: it applies)

i will make a lvl 27 sin to test this out to its fullest.

Dtalon slvl1
Str: 94
battle boots
+1 str charm
dex: base

the dmg will be about 100 w boots, 30 w/o
so this should be easy to see,,and i want to be 100% sure

[Jerkazoid]

doesnt look like ill have results of this test till sunday. but i am excited to know i will have a conclusive answer to this anoying question.
anyway...(edit: i lied i got a friend to help out TY lloyed)

are all of u going with war boots?

what are you guys doing to obtain your boots:

A. mf
B. imbue
C. gamble, shop
D. all of the above

[Jerkazoid]

Dragon talons dmg will be factored using the boots even if u remove str and make them deactivated

my tests are conclusive for PVP and thats all that mattered.*

against a naked level 10 druid (shouts to Lloyed for the help!)
a single kick did:
27
26
31
28
27

with my boot completely off i did:
10
9
9

with the small charm gone (put into cube)
str at 94
boots deactivated (colored red) but still on the character

my dmg was:
27
26
30


that was all i needed to do for test sakes. i am convinced.

ofcourse this leaves kickers open to some exploitation.

(*i put the sc into the cube in my inventory, wich isnt supposed to work,.. so i guess i will do one more test putting the sc away into the stash to be super sure of everything,,,, when i got more time.)