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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject:
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Delybrio wrote: | Sorry, but I think your calcs are wrong. I ran some tests, and here's the results.
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the tests means the PVP penalty is off for psn. O.o
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this is NOT true for realms as i just tested myself on Madness
345-384 dmg become 55 and he has 7% psn res 0% length reduction (normal difficulty)
the 17% cut is there
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Delybrio
Joined: 11 May 2004 Posts: 697 BNet Acct/Realm: USEast Nonladder
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 3:03 pm Post subject:
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It seems to me that you added in the reduction twice.
Also what I meant by no jav circlets/ammy's is, according to Arreat Summit, the following items can spawn with the Spearmaidens Prefix (+2 jav): Gloves(ilvl 40) Spears (ilvl 40)
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 3:06 pm Post subject:
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yes your right about my gear blunder sorry everyone.. i forgot that +2 circlet and ammy was only for the passives
lvl 29:
full +skill gear
+2 rings
+1 hat
+1 amror
+1 shield
+1 ammy
+4jav javelin
+2jav gloves
i made the build and it was horrible.
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meitou
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 1661
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:18 pm Post subject:
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Jerkazoid wrote: |
i really dont get it.. i made the build and it was horrible..(granted i was -4 on skills, but still, i did bad)
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You sure you don't have any other poison source(charms, jewels and such)?
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject:
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meitou wrote: |
You sure you don't have any other poison source(charms, jewels and such)? |
? i dont get your question.
im using the skill planner on d2items for the above stats.
i had,,,ok i was -6 skills then i geuss it was right whne 1.10 came out on NOn-ladder,,
i think knarl tried it out with his druid right knarl? along with a lighting build i tried
i didnt use charms or sockets to get more psn they dont add much really compared to life... it didnt do too well really. not imo
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meitou
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 10:29 am Post subject:
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If you have other poison source and your java actually hit, the poison thing will reset, so it might reduce your skill poison greatly.
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 12:46 pm Post subject:
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no, that cant be it,
even if i did hit with the jav, the charcter will be caught in the cloud, (i use plague jav bc of its huge infection cloud and great psn rate)
and poison only overwrites if the new rate is better. if i did have psn charm no way could they have been more powerfull then pumped plague jav.
others are a lil surprised too, im not the only one who thought psn got cut 17% (and some are still saying it does get the pvp cut)
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meitou
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 1661
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject:
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Jerkazoid wrote: |
and poison only overwrites if the new rate is better. (and some are still saying it does get the pvp cut) |
You sure about this?
I am 100% sure there's no any bug about poison damage back in 09. There was 1/4 pvp penalty for poison too in 09. What we could call a bug was the listed damage if you use multiple source of poison damage. People were just stupid not to know how poison damage was calculated and told each other there's no pvp penalty for poison. Actually, there was a very good article about it, the author was Dao or Tao.
As for 110, I am not sure, but I will guess there's still 17/100 pvp penalty for poison.
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:38 pm Post subject:
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meitou wrote: |
You sure about this?
I am 100% sure there's no any bug about poison damage back in 09. There was 1/4 pvp penalty for poison too in 09. What we could call a bug was the listed damage if you use multiple source of poison damage.
As for 110, I am not sure, but I will guess there's still 17/100 pvp penalty for poison. |
yep there is a pvp penalty for poison and its 17%.... dont know what the deal is with those test u guys did.. the pvp penalty is there on realms i just checked 345-384 dmg became 55 to my friend Madness who has 7% psn res and 0 length reduction
75% length * 17% pvp * 75% res = 1% listed dmg.. worthless!
i stand by my generalization.. its a wild build for fun but by no means viable.
about the .09 Mei'
the applicaitn bug was from range only, that i know.. it added the durations rather then averaged them, its was a huge exploit that range poisoners could take GROSS advatange off.
as for the 1/4 psn pvp penalty.. i cant really say as i was not paying much attention then. wouldnt surprise me if it was there and the faqs about dueling in .09 were just wrong
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meitou
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 1661
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 1:47 pm Post subject:
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This build is just like a poison nova necro, good surprise but not viable after people start to put death glove on. Actually the damage is fine even after death glove, but only if they will actually go into your poison coulds and you can survive that long while poison is working.
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Belarathon
Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4577 BNet Acct/Realm: east nl
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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject:
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You gyus may say it's not viable but I have played delybrio's poison zon and she works well with bad items! she doesn't even have any life charms, maybe like 5... she has bad javas, no resists, like 400 life... and she can still kill deaths gloves, and she took my cousins hammerdin (1300 life) to 1 life in 1 poison java.
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meitou
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 10:19 am Post subject:
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Belarathon wrote: | You gyus may say it's not viable but I have played delybrio's poison zon and she works well with bad items! she doesn't even have any life charms, maybe like 5... she has bad javas, no resists, like 400 life... and she can still kill deaths gloves, and she took my cousins hammerdin (1300 life) to 1 life in 1 poison java. |
Nothing to brag about killing a few melee char as a range zon. Even if you killed necro, sorc and such easily, that only means they sucks...And I bet your cousins hammerdin didn't have either 75% resis or 75% length reduction.
No offense, we all wish for more fun and good builds. I am going to make a zon like that too actually, should be good enough in some pubby games and get a few "Wow".
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Spazz
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Joined: 15 Feb 2004 Posts: 2895 BNet Acct/Realm: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada.
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 10:23 am Post subject:
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"Wow" has been a rare thing for me to hear nowadays.
All I get now is
"Oh shit! an LLD!"
or
"Oh great, it's a low dueler"
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meitou
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 10:43 am Post subject:
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What I got most is "lol, mei, I didn't know it's you"
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Spazz
Victim of the BAN BLUDGEON
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 10:49 am Post subject:
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hey, you shut up.
lol
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