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Phyre
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:44 am Post subject:
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For whatever reason, I'm found alot of LLD games that *gasp* actually had low levels in it. And not just kinda low levels (levels 30-35) but level 12-21s. However, I noticed that pretty much every dueler in every game with those levels that does well is a zeal pally. I got to thinking and I can't come up with something to take them down at that level short of making my own, and I find them boring.
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Saytun
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:12 am Post subject:
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In a melee duel the only thing that gives my 18 Pally a challenge would be a VERY good 21 Jabber or an 18 Conc barb. ThatGuy's barb has beaten me occassionally but my zealer wins probably 9/10.
A throw barb would probably be your most consistant zealer killer if you dont mind fighting melee with ranged.
If your on East and when I get my home connection working again i'll gladly help you test out any zealer killer ideas on my pally.
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Nosferatu
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:15 am Post subject:
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uhh my throw barb crushed every zealer i faced not ones killed me ever..
but throw barbs have problems against kickers.
and ive noticed that ele druids do well against Cs zons oh and Cs zons take zealers easy also.
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VoicesLLD
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:04 am Post subject:
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Nosferatu wrote: | uhh my throw barb crushed every zealer i faced not ones killed me ever..
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i thought you said your throw barb was .09 and isnt even equipt anymore in .10?
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Nosferatu
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:07 am Post subject:
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when did i say this.. i was talkin bout the LLD-Throwbarb thing i was describing my old old old barb.
this one i was talkin bout my 1.10 barb that was lvl 29. he had hard times with lvl 35 kickers and cs zons stuff liek that. but he owned zealers.
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Nosferatu
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:09 am Post subject:
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after the season was over i gave my lld acc to belerathon and started new ladder. what u tryin to say?? do u still think i dont even have a throw barb..
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Nosferatu
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:13 am Post subject:
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http://www.wolfness.com/upload/godjav.jpg
take a look voices.
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VoicesLLD
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:13 am Post subject:
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Nosferatu wrote: | after the season was over i gave my lld acc to belerathon and started new ladder. what u tryin to say?? do u still think i dont even have a throw barb.. |
i never said you didnt have one, i said apparently you had one, as i wasnt sure.
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Saytun
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:16 am Post subject:
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He wanted advice for beating an 18 zealer around that kind of level, I have yet to meet a great 18 throw barb, but potentially they could cause my pally problems with a hit and run tactic.
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Belarathon
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:37 am Post subject:
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i am sure that a level 18 bear using khalim can beat 18 zealers, cause my level 14 bear druid probably killed about 90% of the 18 zealers i met on him, ever. and that was with level 9 jewels and level 14 charms. If you make him level 18 and get the 18 jewels/17 charms and level 16 charms if you want some more damage, then they can probably beat the extra 10% of zealers that i couldnt
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject:
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Belarathon wrote: | i am sure that a level 18 bear |
what is your
AR/LIFE/def/dmg and attack speed ?
i know bears get huge life and ar, but i cant grasp how it can beat an uniteruptible 5 hit, 900 dmg, 800 life, 2k AR zealot.
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ThatGuy
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:46 pm Post subject:
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A level 18 defiance smiter with CB/OW could make mincemeat out of a good zealot.
Level 18 fire sorc might (keyword: MIGHT) work out, providing teleport comes into play.
Charger, duh.
Considering the choices above, unless the bear actually works, you only have a chance with cheapo range tactics. I love level 18 dueling though, reminds me of the good ol' days. I actually beat a 76legit veteran with my level 18 somehow his 24 concer vs my 18 concer, but that's a different story.
My concer is level 19 now but no one minds...I hope...
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:51 pm Post subject:
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ThatGuy wrote: | A level 18 defiance smiter with CB/OW could make mincemeat out of a good zealot. |
unless i can get a 600-700 def eth rare ancient armor my 17 Def/smiter does alright, but as soon as they get decent ar (2k+) the build begins to fail.
i think i dueled knarls 18 and did 1 out of 3.
please note the def LLD Smiter build is HEAVILY negatable, all you do is:
EDITED: sheesh,,, i think i will NOT tell everyone how to go about kicking my smiters ass... but if u really want to know ill tell you if u ask
(a running double thrower is a bit BM and the zealot should use some charge to catch em and kill em..
a charger vs smiter is also a bit bm imo)
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ThatGuy
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:50 pm Post subject:
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Ah, but notice you're a level 17 smiter, once level 18 comes into play, more things become available
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Belarathon
Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4577 BNet Acct/Realm: east nl
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Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:39 pm Post subject:
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Jerkazoid wrote: | Belarathon wrote: | i am sure that a level 18 bear |
what is your
AR/LIFE/def/dmg and attack speed ?
i know bears get huge life and ar, but i cant grasp how it can beat an uniteruptible 5 hit, 900 dmg, 800 life, 2k AR zealot. |
my level 14 had about 1600 ar, 1600 life, 750 defense, 500 damage, with a bad armor, attack speed was pretty fast, 80ias, and it seem slike he wouldnt win on paper i guess, but he did beat 90% of them that i came across, 17x 15 max jewels or not, i even beat one who used full 15 life sc and a couple of his jewels were 19's. but then this other one, who was not even that well equipped, could beat me everytime. i didn't get it.. the wonderful world of melee i guess
BTW: it seemed to be my high life/semi high def and their low AR to be what killed them, i remember nt being hit too often, and when i was, it wasnt devastating dmg when when they had 800+ dmg zeal, i would get hit once out of like 5 zeals, and by the time they could hit enuogh to deal enough dmg to kill the 1600 life, i had hit them enough due to their low defense to kill them
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