LLD101

[Death-Strider]

got my ass handed to me
(damn sol gear)

[Spazz]

I died ONCE..

The End.

(Nice story!)

[Jerkazoid]

id like to add that putting on 10 sol runes + other -dr items is completely ridiculas against 28 smiters.. and even 29 kickers to a smaller amount.

strider has limited his tournee to lvl 25..

id like to submit a rule for lld101:

no more then X -dr may be used against any fighter whose attack is over 50% physical dmg.

im thinking X should = 42 (ie 6 sol runes)


did that sound right?

[Knarl]

I don't know lol. What lvl req are sol runes? (I have shopping to do...can't waste time looking it up )

And I moved this to the low level dueling section as opposed to the pvp rules discussion.

[Jerkazoid]

"amn el ith tir sol".. u do know sol is above amn right?

what level is Honor? ????.....

.....ok ill just tell you.. 27

its -7 dmg for ecah sol.
7*10 = -70 dmg pvp
70/.17 = -411 listed dmg

with bladebuckle i get that to 441 dmg

that means anything 441 or under = 0 dmg
ud have to get lucky and score a hit above 441 to start doing any dmg... it is a serious effect on builds who avg dmg is around 400.

[Knarl]

And this -7 dmg taken...is this before or after the pvp penalty? I'm assuming after...

So if someone does 600 dmg pre, and 100 dmg after pvp penalty, if you have 7 sol runes, he'll only do 51 dmg per attack?

[Jerkazoid]

after pvp...exactly.. wich is why it didnt work in 09 but does in 1.10

yes with 588 dmg.. = 100 pvp dmg and -49 dr = 51pvp left

now smiters get the stun bonuses, so as long as they get a lil dmg they keep u locked up.. but still letting duelers take dmg down 90-100% is just crazy

paladins can put on 11 sol runes in a snap really.. and then add bladebuckle and perhaps some -3dr rings.. u could see -88 dmg.... thats 517 listed dmg

**remember what that does to someones avg dmg if they were 400-600.. ud have to score above 517 before u even started to do dmg. so its not as simple as saying avg dmg = max/2

i cant figure out how to set up the equation exactly.. but i can do a sorta.. fudged example:

ok so dmg samples for averaging 400-600 with -517
400 = 0
450 = 0
500 = 0
550 = 33 left
600 = 83 left

so thats 116 dmg out of 5 even samples 116/5 = 23 avg dmg *.17 for pvp = 3.9 pvp AVG per hit

but thats an approximation.. in reality ud have to account for every dmg that could be done.. i dont know how to use factorials like that or anything.. atleast i think thats how it would be done

[Death-Strider]

If I remember right 7x11=77
Rings add 3 thats 6 77+6=83
Then blade is 3 83+3=86
Not 88
so max dmg you would need to take 86 dr is 516

[GODZ!]

has jerk been out zoided?

[MysticFalcon182]

Gasp!

Hm... Limits on damage reduction should be in the rules! And thanks for the idea

Would that work somewhat on Wind Druids' Tornadoes too?

[VoicesLLD]

tornados are physical dmg, so it should work on them.

[MysticFalcon182]

But to what extent? I mean... Several of my character rely on pure elemental damage (the higher ranged LLDs), and Wind Druids with Cyclone Armor just kill me... By the time I've broken through the Armor, they've gotten me down below 1/4 life. My Druid has around 1,300 life, and still dies to these.

[Belarathon]

Well they can get over 800 damage but most of them will have aruond 600 damage, if we're talking level 30's. So I think it would work fairly well against the 600 damage ones, although I'm not sure if a pure elemental character could ever beat a druid with good cyclone armor anyways.

[MysticFalcon182]

I'm talking about lv44-50 regular Wind Druids

What happens is... I'm forced to get up close, and they spam Tornadoes. Poor little Carebear then dies.

[Jerkazoid]