LLD101

[reg123]

I just started to play classic on east ladder, and am thinking about making an lld character.

It seems like a lot of good high lvl gear usually has a low lvl requirement as well, so I figure lld might be fun?

I was thinking a lvl 30 ww barb, or maybe a lvl 30 bowzon? don't really want to make a pally or necro. not sure about a sorc.

any thoughts? I think bowzon is what I'm leaning towards

[Magi]

You may already be familiar with some of the "shortcomings" of playing on classic d2, but here are some to consider:

There are no charms. Damage pretty much comes from your str/dex and what's listed on your weapon. This makes certain builds a LOT less feasible. For example: there might not be a whole lot of level 18 zealots running around. But to some, that's a good thing.

Also, no charms = lower life than you might be used too. No inventory full of 15 life sc's for that extra 600 life.

There are no runes iirc. No Honor runewords. No Spirit swords or shields.

Socketing things will cost you a SOJ, which is a pretty expensive proposition if you're considering playing ladder.

With all that being said: at least everyone is pretty much on the same playing field. Suddenly all those low sets everyone thinks SUCK, are actually quite godly.

(oh yeah, and every weapon hits the 4frame ww rate on non-xpac diablo. THAT is a good thing. )

Still, it's kinda fun.

disclaimer: I only played classic for a short while do to time constraints so I might not know what in the hay-diddy-diddy I'm talking about. Please wait for someone more educated on the matter than I. lol)

[heprea]

here's one cheap "ok" classic lld build:
http://www.lld101.com/viewtopic.php?t=40222

although, the most used under 29-30 lvl chars are 21lvl holy freeze smiters with generals as their main weapon lawl

[Belarathon]

LLD on classic is really fun. WW barb, blizz/fb sorc, charger, hammerdin, foh, bowzon sorta are all good.. mainly sorc, ww, hdin are good tho
only on classic they will be mad if you go above lv 29 but its more fun when theyre mad anyways!
a cheap build that can/will dominate is an irathas set bvc!
all you need is:
irathas set
your choice of armor (i used blinkbats)
a lance or martel with as high of dmg as you can get and -20 or 30 req is definetly good
whatever 30 frw/res boots you can find or gamble.. then rings you can either use rare ar/stats/mana or if you can afford it, 2 sojs.. it can basically kill anything except bvbs.. if you are facing a sorc that knows how to tele really good, or a hdin that can godly desync then youll die unless youre really really godly at a bvc.. in which case youll still prob die if the hdin or sorc are good enough but there pretty much arent any llds that good on escl

[reg123]

thanks for the info, i'll probably try a bowzon for the hell of it, and a ww, either lld or maybe just a high lvl.

and to the stuff magi said, I kind of like the "shortcomings" you mentioned. on xpac a lot of the building of characters was spending way too much time trying to trade for the same charms or jewels all day. and a lot of the builds used the same gear, and there didn't seem like much variation within each build. on classic, I feel like rares play a bigger part. and the fact that a lot of good stuff can be found with lvl 30 requirements, i think it might be fun.

[Torrent]

[reg123]

ok, I think i'm gonna try to make a lvl 30 zon first, and i'm trying to think out the gear.

any suggestions? I'm guessing a goth or a rune bow, if it's a goth, most likely a -req one. what kind of ias do I need?

I have a nice pair of 30/10 boots with dex and resist, but other than that, I have no gear yet. any sets or uniques I should look at? I looked kinda quickly and didn't really think anything would be too much help except maybe a twitch?

[.I.O.W.A.]

I might have to jump in some classic.

[heprea]

[reg123]

ya, i guess bloodfists works, and I can switch back with deaths combo, although if I find a rare belt with +str to go with bfists, that won't work.

and heres the ias bps for a goth bow.

0 % 15 1.6
5 % 14 1.7
11 % 13 1.9
22 % 12 2
35 % 11 2.2
56 % 10 2.5
89 % 9 2.7
147 % 8 3.1
292 % 7 3.5

[reg123]

would it be worth using deaths combo to hit the 35% bp? deaths + twitch would be 50% ias, but still doesn't hit 10fps.

I think i'm leaning towards bloodfists+twitch.

So far I have a 126% ed, adds 3-9 damage, 95 ar, -30% req goth bow

30/10 demonhide boots with +5 dex, 27 lr and 25 fr

24% fhr / 7 str / 51 life / 17 mana / 23 lr / 20 fr belt

and then a twitch, bloodfists, and duskdeep. looks like that is 2% (86%) away from the 5frame FHR bp. lower bp is 52%

should I rework some of that gear?

I'm trying to find a +1 ammy. sojs are too expensive right now, not really willing to pay for them. gonna be hard to find, but im looking for min dmg/stats/life/mana rings

[heprea]

that bow seems really nice. im not too sure how many ppl have cold dmg in classic at lower levels, im guessing that only holy freeze smiters have so, i guess bfists + twitch is the way.

as for starter, u could always use angelic combo. before u can get thouse nice rares/soj's

[reg123]

[heprea]

yeah, i guess getting nice runebow would help with the ias problem. though rune bows dont really have too godly damage when compared to gothic bow if i remember right.

[Belarathon]

everyone should start llding on classic ladder! haha for some reason theres tons of llds being made this season.. people are even designing specific 4vs4 teams