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 Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:30 am Post subject:
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I have a level 29 non rushed zealot with 2228base ar and 45% bonus to attack rating for a total of 3253ar. I have 3 into zeal and 1 into blessed aim with 17 unused skill points.
Is the attack rating I have now "good enough"? Where should I put the rest of my skill points?
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:03 am Post subject:
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No. Not enough. IMO, a "good" 29 non-rushed zealot can EASILY hit 4k ar.
Dual Angelic Rings + Ammy, Twitch, Sanders Boots, ed/AR pally shield and Honor weap turns into a LOT of AR.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:10 am Post subject:
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do you have all your gear on? angelics, ed/ar shield, 'honor' weapon? those all add more AR. do you have max block (75%, the dex you have to add to get max block adds more AR)? you should also have 4 points into zeal at the very least, not 3. 3 gives you 4 hits per attack, 4 gives you 5 hits per attack. now that you have all your gear on, max block, and 5 hits per attack, how much is your ar? a good zealot should have 4.5k at the very least, and a little more is always better.
with that said, once you have everything in place, (gear/maxblock/5hits) if your AR still isnt high enough, put more points into zeal until you;re atleast at 4.5k. after that, max out concentration, and put any remaining points into sacrifice.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:33 am Post subject:
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Voices, when I built my old 29 zealot, I only put one point into sac and dumped all my skills into Zeal and Conc, Decided that 6% damage + 10% AR for a point of zeal would be better than just 12% damage. Whats the point of doing heinous amounts of damage if you're not gonna hit?
Also, Gheed, you might want to look into either Fine Small charms(max/ar) or Bronze small charms(just AR), ideally with life mods, of course. Just my thoughts!
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| Knarl wrote: | | Inexorable beat LittleKnarl, 4-3. Grumble grumble. My poor smiter. |
| Knarl wrote: | | 4-3 for inexorable again in melee. 10 life...pssh. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:35 am Post subject:
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knarls zealot has 6K+. my zealot has 4600 ar. i kill knarl more than he kills me. that should tell you why. 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:45 am Post subject:
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Who's zealot does more damage? Are they built the same? Gotta compare *everything* .. oh yeah, almost forgot the charms... gotta see the differences between those.
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| Knarl wrote: | | Inexorable beat LittleKnarl, 4-3. Grumble grumble. My poor smiter. |
| Knarl wrote: | | 4-3 for inexorable again in melee. 10 life...pssh. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:31 pm Post subject:
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How do you guys manage that AR? My lvl 29 only has around 2.2k i think. Maybe it's cuz I'm not using honor.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject:
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my def zealot has about 4.6k, it depends on charms, gear and such. Also too much ar but not enough dmg could be a problem as well.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:
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Alright, I pumped a few more points into zeal and now I have exactly 4600 ar. I also have 8 points left to spend. How much def do def builds get anyways?
@Voices, 3 base + 1 from honor = 4
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:11 pm Post subject:
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| chewie112 wrote: | | How do you guys manage that AR? My lvl 29 only has around 2.2k i think. Maybe it's cuz I'm not using honor. |
At Level 29, not including starting AR and AR gained from Dexterity, other than Item-granted Dex:
Angelic Rings/Ammy Combo: 348 Attack Rating from Each Ring, Totaling 696, PLUS 10 Dexterity from Ammy/Ring combo, another 50 AR.
Honor: 250 AR, if I am not mistaken.
Sander's Boots: 100 AR, +50 AR(10dex)
Paladin Shield: 100 on the low end, 121 on top end. I'll assume 100, as that is the LOWEST someone should settle for.
Twiththroe: 50Ar(from +10 dex bonus)
696 (2x Rings)
+50 (10dex partial set bonus for Angelic)
+250 (Honor)
+100 (Sander's Boots)
+50 (Dex Bonus from Sanders Boots)
+100 (Paladin Shield)
+50 (Twitchthroe Dex Boost)
Thus far totaling: 1296 Attack Rating, if my numbers are correct.
I am going to assume... I believe it's 70 Dex when all is said and done to use divine scepter, not including bonus points from items. So that's what, 50 stats put into Dex, for Another 250 AR?
1546 Thus far, before Zeal multiplies it out, and before charms.
If you take the high AR zealot build which is as follows:
1 Holy Shield
13 Zeal
12 Concentration
Rest of points in pre-reqs (33 skill points used, Less if you make your honor out of a divine scepter with +holy shield)
This will give you a level 14 zeal after +1 to all bonus from Honor. that is a 140% boost to attack rating, giving you 2.4 times normal attack rating. (Remember, one must add in original attack rating as well)
1546 x 2.4 = 3710.4
So 3710 Attack Rating before charms. A decent start. Start adding in Attack Rating from Charms, multiply the total charm attack rating by 2.4... Oh yeah, add in your original Attack Rating all like 80 points of it. Multiply that out too.
Assume you use 3x Max/AR grand charms. Assume 50 Attack Rating on each of them. Add in the 80 original Attack Rating. We now have 230 Attack Rating from starting, and charms. Multiplied out it's 552.
3710 + 552 = 4262 Not too bad from fairly easy to obtain items, eh? That's why whenever I make a zealot for ANY level, Zeal is the first skill maxed.
As for charms, and even jewels, there is a post SOMEWHERE on the site, if Voices or Knarl finds it, please edit this post to give a link to that thread.
Now, if you do re-do this zealot, hold out for Silver Jewels of Carnage. They will be required level 18, and add 41-60 Attack Rating(Silver) and 11-15 Max(Carnage). In My Opinion, these would be the BEST jewels to get for sake of damage/AR balance. If your charms give you a ton of attack rating, go for Carmine of Carnage for more max damage.
But in the end, how you do your character is entirely up to you. Just some suggestions.
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| Knarl wrote: | | 4-3 for inexorable again in melee. 10 life...pssh. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:40 pm Post subject:
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| Cancerofdabowel wrote: | | Who's zealot does more damage? Are they built the same? Gotta compare *everything* .. oh yeah, almost forgot the charms... gotta see the differences between those. |
My lvl 29 norm zealot:
276-1871 zeal dmg
6779 AR
898 life
Charms are a mix of 3/ar/life SCs, 5-6/ar/life/fhr/etc.... LCs, and a few 10/ar/life/dex GCs. Basically, they are my second best melee charms, as my conc barb currently holds my best ones.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject:
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You only happen to kill Knarl's Zealot more because 29 zealots generally have low defence, so you can smack him around a bit. Defence zealots might be a bit different though
Melee is random.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:31 pm Post subject:
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with normal armor, my def zealot gets about 12k defense. If i feel like using eth armor, I get about 13k, but only with good duelers. Dmg is about 800.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject:
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| ThatGuy wrote: | You only happen to kill Knarl's Zealot more because 29 zealots generally have low defence, so you can smack him around a bit. Defence zealots might be a bit different though
Melee is random. |
my zealot, as far as i know, has less defence than he does.
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850ish life
1813zeal with 15%ED knout, 2082 with eth knout, 21xx when i equip my newly found 11%ED eth knout (eat it sean  )
468x ar.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 5:53 am Post subject:
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Uh u can have ubseen amout of AR:
lvl 29 req 100 AR GC's
100x10= 1000 AR
lvl 17 zeal = 170% AR
1000+1000*1.7 = 2700 AR just right there
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angelics at lvl 29 dual angelics = 696 AR+50 AR from DEX= 746
746 + 746*1.7= 2014
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honor= 250 AR
250+250*1.7= 675 AR
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Without any other items:
675 + 2014+2700= 5389
5389!!!!!!!!!!! AR
DAts wihtout counting all the other itmes. This is just using those 10 Charms, Angelics, and Honor.
Now think if u add items that add AR.
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