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LLD def barb vs defiance zealot - who wins?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject:  

well that ar isnt really high tbh.

in breakbeatz's guide he posted he had 2.2k fury, 4fps, 4fhr frame, 2.5k life and 10.6k ar on his lvl30 fury :-/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject:  

ropa wrote:
I have a 1400 fury damage 2400 life max block fastest fury posible druid and...... its imposible for me to beat a good geared barb. Even if my ar is a tad too low (4k)... then again, i'm not into arena duels


Sounds low... that could be the reason. Barbs with basic gear > all else. However, if the druid is geared up...very hard to beat. Fuh has a stash full of fine sc's of sustenance and some pretty uber gear so be prepared to build and re-build many times to make him competitive.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject:  

there also better in more situations imo. like they can switch out to grim scythe vs casters/smiters.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject:  

just shdw wrote:
there also better in more situations imo. like they can switch out to grim scythe vs casters/smiters.


That was the major reason I ditched my conc barb and settled with a ww barb. The conc barb just wasn't versatile AT ALL.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject:  

ye thats also one main reason i thought about Smile


i calced out now .. if you had that perf 2shape/3fury/2os helm and 2*24max in helm + 3*24max in shield, 37*3/15s and 1*10/7x/12fhr inv, you would have a displayed dmg of 105-1444 with 4fps attack, 4fps fhr frame + 46%crit from peace one handed with 15ed sup 6*shael naga.

with scythe, dmg would be 269-1357 screen dmg plus 46%crit.

with 72max/80life lp/mp, dmg dmg would increase to 153-2108 dmg 1handed and 392-1778 dmg handed, but no critical hit.


so well ... is that possible/true or did i calc it wrong? it's with a lvl12 HoW and perf gear, so..
just because breakbeatz wrote he had 2200 max dmg in his guide. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:57 am    Post subject:  

10k ar?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:20 am    Post subject:  

maybe he listed final damage after calculating in critical ?

doesnt critical only add 25% anywya since its + 3?

ive never been sure about this
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:28 am    Post subject:  

hmm its +3 but the +2sks from sojs count on it and maybe even the +2ama sks from peace it crit is actually an ama skill :-/
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:33 am    Post subject:  

has anyone tested it? i guess the sojs would add to it yea like they add to BO on cta. i kinda doubt zon skills would though.

i guess that means peace is also not good on lvl 30 bvcs who use sojs, adding to masteyr so that critical would be really sweet. Razz

did you add in strength ed% by any chance?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject:  

i did
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:58 am    Post subject:  

hmm ok, jsut making sure coz thats the thing alot of people forget when calcing dmg. but now with weapon calcs you cant go wrong.

its a mystery to me then/cant be bothered figuring it out.

anyway... to the original question..

id make a def zealer at lvl 18 over a barb Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject:  

Prebuffed HoW is probably the answer. That and maybe you forgot to add a 2 Shapeshifting/80 Life ammy.

I'm not sure, but I think a 72 max/3 Fury helm also adds more than 2/3/48, but you lose some life from Lyc and FRW when charging up Feral Rage, so I don't know if it's worth it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject:  

no i first calced out the whole +ed i get from fury and how.


then i calced it out with a calculator that includes, all ed, weapon, max on gear, str/dex etcetc ...


anyway, thanks a lot dudes you really helped me Smile


if i made a lvl18, i would make a conc barb coz in europe zealers are pretty common in contrast to conc barbs Smile
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