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LLD def barb vs defiance zealot - who wins?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject:  

Kody wrote:
i was no where close to godly gear.


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helm 60max crown


Since you've clarified that you're level 18, I think it's pretty hard to make these two juxtaposed statements add up. Confused

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 5:10 pm    Post subject:  

woops i meant 45 max dmg haha my mistake
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 6:45 am    Post subject:  

sorry if my topic was unclear, but im talking about lvl29-30 lld Smile


so, now all of you said that barb > zeal at lvl29, but what about other chars?
do kicksins or fury druids stand a chance?

i could image a full DR fade kicksin with cb could be pretty good as well in melee dueling ... i got access to kickass gear such as full inv 3/15s and 1assa 30frw 46life 1%ar/lvl 2sock circ etcetc ... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject:  

Moritz wrote:
i got access to kickass gear such as full inv 3/15s and 1assa 30frw 46life 1%ar/lvl 2sock circ etcetc ... Smile


That's great, cept I'm 99.9% sure that dmg charms don't add to kick dmg.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:21 am    Post subject:  

im 100% sure it does NOT add to kcik dmg, thats true, but the the 10-20 ar from 3/15s should add to ar right?

and so 1-3max/10-20ar/15life sc's should be superior to plain 15 lifes Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject:  

and u may neeed that ar due to the fact that its a "defensive" barb
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject:  

i know Smile thats why i would use 1-3/1x/15s on her if i made one ...

well i dont know .. didnt anyone have any godly non-barb non-paladin char who was able to seriously compete with them ? Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject:  

im hoping once im done with my lvl 30 ill be able to but idk when that will be
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject:  

Kicksins and fury druids both are fast as hell which is usually an advantage. Each char has advantages and disadvantages.

Are you asking "which char is the best 29-30 melee char?" or are you asking "which build will win... def barb or def zealot" Seems you are fishing for very broad answers.

Have you narrowed down the class or type of fighter you want to be yet? Which is more appealing to you defense or ar/speed?

Many questions for you to answer first I think...

Barb wins but IMO it's not as easy to make as ppl suggest because the helm (unless you have a spare) is the hardest thing to find. It is about as rare as the ever elusive 3conc/3zeal/5s warscepter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:02 am    Post subject:  

well i like kicksins very much.

but if i knew they have no chance anyway against e.g. barbs or palas i wouldnt build one.


i prefer kicksins > fury druid > zealot > barb Wink


but well if i knew none of these could beat barbs anyway (and there will be a lot of barbs @ melee league i guess), it would have no use.


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actually it would be nice if someone was able to answer this question, tho i know it sounds noobish ... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject:  

kicksins will always be the underdogs of melee dueling : /

bloody nice circlet though Smile probably better than mine

and kicksins beat smiters using a shael/eth runed brandistock Wink

just out of curiosity moritz, of you made a kicksin what build would you be following? pm me if u could
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject:  

Good luck killing a barb with a druid.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:59 am    Post subject:  

ropa wrote:
Good luck killing a barb with a druid.


Actually, in arena melee duels the top 2 duelers are fury druids.

29-30 melee fury druids are really hard to beat. Also, really hard to gear up to be uber competitive. I've helped FUH build his fury and seen what it has cost him in time/currency to build it. Barbs are awesome, but not the top duelers by any means.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject:  

well i think im gonna make a fury druid now.

wish me luck @ finding stuffs, hmm actually only the helm, i got the rest for it Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:45 am    Post subject:  

wfg-dude wrote:
ropa wrote:
Good luck killing a barb with a druid.


Actually, in arena melee duels the top 2 duelers are fury druids.

29-30 melee fury druids are really hard to beat. Also, really hard to gear up to be uber competitive. I've helped FUH build his fury and seen what it has cost him in time/currency to build it. Barbs are awesome, but not the top duelers by any means.


I have a 1400 fury damage 2400 life max block fastest fury posible druid and...... its imposible for me to beat a good geared barb. Even if my ar is a tad too low (4k)... then again, i'm not into arena duels
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