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LLD101 Low Level Dueling in 1.12
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Solartje
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 366 BNet Acct/Realm: Europe
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:53 am Post subject:
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PARTI:
first of all. ive made around 1 acc of lvl9, rebuilded alot. my char i play in liga is a ama.
i did once a comparison of chance to hit + dmg
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jab1 + inner9 VS jab9 + inner1. and i came out to the result that jab lvl9 was the best. now ive seen someone with a ama that used different setup
jab6 + inner9 + cs1 (instead of5)
any1 (yerkazoid?) ever did a comparison of all possible skilling?
partII
i never duelled on US , so i have no idea how strong u guys are. im (i think) the strongest lvl9 on europe.
i use a ama: 445 life, 112mana, 545def, 55-350 jab dmg, 1250ar
gear:
armor 10-52/5energy/-30req 15%ancient
shield 4-39/6 energy 15% gothic shield
helm 1-40/9dtm/20ar 15% crown
5str/5dex/8life/10mana/stamina/9dtm amu
75ar/2str/repl+5 ring
72ar/2str/repl+5ring
eth ias spear: 16-32dmg + cold dmg
charms:
5 * 15/7mana
4 * 15/12ar
11 * 14+/10+ar
is this anything close to the best lvl9 dueller in US? who is the best US dueller? and what gear he uses?
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Saytun
Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Posts: 666
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:01 am Post subject:
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Best 2 ive seen on East are Rampage and Godz. As for stats I wouldnt know.
You could always make your character on open with an editor and duel other realms.
Saytun
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Belarathon
Joined: 24 Feb 2004 Posts: 4577 BNet Acct/Realm: east nl
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:06 am Post subject:
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I think the best lvl 9 on east in Bx, he uses level 9 assassin with minimum damage setup, i can't say his entire set up off the top of my head, but i knew that he said after his last jewel, his minimum damage is about 1200, and about 500 life i think? and 2,000 ar. after all the charges
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GODZ!
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Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 3623 BNet Acct/Realm: ECWK
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:14 am Post subject:
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hi, and your right, u are the best dueler on europe. and east. and west, nobody has gear like that. well up that high.
i guess i could say im a good dueler
and im the one that's changing my stats around to 6jab/9inner/4dodge/1cs
my gear is
27max/62ar/2dex/14ed/10dtm... helm
40max/22ar/5life/11 stamina/-60 req... gothic plate
10% faster hit recovery/15% faster block recovery/10% increased chance of blocking/9ed/21max/34ar/2str/cold res 31/9dtm... shield(being replaced after rebuild)*
10fhr/15ar/3dex/40%edef/10 stamina boots
79ar/2dex/10fhr/4 life replenish/cold res 11/6 stamina... ring
51ar/1str/2dex... ring(being replaced after rebuild)**
5dex/11ar/9dtm/1 life/psn res 11... ammy(being replaced after rebuild)***
22ed/1max/23ar/replenishing throwing spear(for pubbies)
then different sets of spears... witout repair. ones ar jav. ones plain jav. and ones for the godlies who are hard to beat.(amp/ias/ar/maxdmg)
*the new shield will be. 10fhr/30% faster block recovery/20% increased chance of blocking/18+max/40+ar/18+dtm/fire resist 11
**the new ring would be 75ar/2str/10fcr/5 life regen
***the new ammy wuold be 5str/2dex/19ar
my gc's are:
12fhr...41ar/40ar/38 ar
my sc's are:
3x 1dex/4ar
my lc's are:
15 life lc's w/
2x 10psn
2x mana...6/4
1x ar...6
1x stamina...24
1x MAGIC FIND BABY...4
6x plain
1x 14 life lc with 7 mana
the thing i have noticed about your builds. though very high in dmg and ar and are very well built is... u seem to just forget about your fhr and fbr tables, which im not sure how much of a difference it would make, im sure it would make some difference.
now i know im not godly, nor the best, but i thought mine is pretty well done and i thought it be nice to share.
two other guys from easts builds to look out for are
B[x]'s
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Rampages
and. do u have a character editor on open. i'd like to duel u.
nice talking again
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Saytun
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:15 am Post subject:
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oh I thought he meant just which level 9 zons are the best on east
Sorry B[x]
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Will
Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 1896 BNet Acct/Realm: East L : *BloodPhoenix
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:05 am Post subject:
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What's up Solartje ? Come on useast mate , its fun there
And yeah , I think you are one of the best lvl9 ama on europe
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B[x]
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:19 am Post subject:
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haha, it's ok, saytun.
my currents stats are:
261 to 262 uncharged dmg
1041 to 1042 release dmg
1615 uncharged AR
2070 release AR
485 life
314 def
however, since you have cold dmg, i'd have to use death's sash which would drop my stats to:
1362 uncharged AR
1746 release AR
465 life
309 def
that is until i get a new pair of boots for cold dmg users (3dex/15AR)
and i still have an open socket in my armor.
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ChasingChickens
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:04 pm Post subject:
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hey bx mind posting your set up? I'm curious to see.
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iso: 18 max/-15 req jewel
20+max damage jewels
3/ar/life scs
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Standard LLD Currency (15 lifers, 15 maxers, SoJ's, Runes, etc etc)
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B[x]
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:16 pm Post subject:
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5str/3dex/4energy/15stamina/11CR/6FR ammy
75AR/1str/2dex/2light radius ring
10% ctc lvl 3 cb when struck/66AR/2str/2dex/3mana/10mf ring
bloodfists
hsarus' belt and boots
12fhr/42AR gc
12fhr/41AR gc
2x 1dex/4AR scs
15life/8AR lc
2x 15life/resist lcs
the rest are just plain 15s
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ChasingChickens
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:41 pm Post subject:
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very nice
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B[x]
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject:
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thank you.
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Solartje
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 366 BNet Acct/Realm: Europe
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:51 pm Post subject:
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yeah i havent used fbr and fhr.
2 reasons. fastest hitter is a amazon at 5.5 fpa
meaning that as long as i block faster then that speed im ok. (unless i got a bad understanding of what fbr is)
Frame 5 4 3 2 1
FBR needed 0% 13% 32% 86% 600%
so with 0fhr im still faster then anyone could hit, so dont think fbr has much importance in 1vs1.
(i have a fhr/fbr/icb/2sock vs amazons, but i still tend to use my 3 socket gothic )
the fhr, is in my eyes very usefull on barbs, or pala's who hit slow, but with 75block, close to 550 defence, and max dodge, i get hit so rarely, i prefere not to lose life to get fhr. (unless i duell a smiter, there its the 57fhr setup (gloves, 17belt, 10boot)
godz: any mathematical explanation why that setup. i must admit i never thought off lowering cs, but it might be a good idea. have u tested it in open? could u post the difference in stats?
bx, first finished min setup ive seen (gratz) must have taken ages to find a good min/-15req. i have been thinking of making one for my ama, but the max setup i use now would give more dmg. i think best ?in setup are for chars with alot of sockets, barb, pala, (assa could work fine aswell) ama has to fiew sockets. it would give 9 * 16dmg sockets and 1 * 8 = 152 MAX u can get, where as with max, u could do with 10 * 15dmg to get same avg dmg, but u could find 10 * 15+ jewels and deal more dmg. my armor has 15.5avg, (helm and shield im rebuilding for the next season, trying to get 16avg dmg jewels for them)
bx en godz,; would u mind making your chars in open, and maybe have a little competition? eu vs usE vs usW ? ^^
ps i wont join us to duell there. ive always done things people dont do, so im busy making vlld as popular on europe as it is in the US. uve done a greath job in us, but here in europe we are still in noob shoes. i dont duell much more either. im more busy trying to promote lvl9 here, making a new english liga, making competitios etc to promote it. and ill probably stick at it, BUT the duell in open could be fun.
let me know what u think of it
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Solartje
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 366 BNet Acct/Realm: Europe
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:01 pm Post subject:
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mm no edit buton ^^
forgot to say, i rarely use deaths belt too. if i get hit 3 times before i killed my oponent its much. and if i get hit, i prefere to use a item that has half freeze lenght.
with max resist, and half freeze, im only frozen for a very short amount of frames. i prefere that over losing 100def.
(ps half frozen lenght dont stacks to bad)
godz, ill make your skill setup in open, and test it vs 1inner/9jab/5cs/4dodge setup. if its better then the one i use now, ill be very thankfull to you hard to make the ama even stronger.
ps i havent found the guides here yet. are they like all over the place? or stickied. im trying to write as much guides as possible, so starters wont always pick a ts assa. for now i have
physical hammer kicksin
Ts sin normal release
fof sin normal release
Ts sin dtail release
jab ama
bow ama
bash baba
trower baba
smiter,
sacradin (def as @ mostly)
bear, wolfsumoner druid (mostly for ironman)
wolf druid
poison dagger, amp dmg, clay golem necro
sumoner necro (sucks )
coldsorcie
is there anyone i forgot? and where could i find it?
does anyone have 100 15life'rs, for the last 5 guides i still need to make :p (nl Europe)
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B[x]
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:14 pm Post subject:
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my mini sin isn't done, note the open socket in the armor.
if i make on open, would you mind if i filled that socket? i have 2x 7 min dmg jewels but i'm waiting for an 8 min so my armor can hit 30 min total.
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Will
Joined: 20 Jun 2004 Posts: 1896 BNet Acct/Realm: East L : *BloodPhoenix
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject:
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Solartje , you don't say hi to old friends do you ? I'm DoA-Ownage
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