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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:07 pm    Post subject:  Lvl 29 Fire Ama?  

I was wondering.. anyone trie? if so is it good.. bad.. advantages..

oh btw im bow^_^
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject:  

bad idea
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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2004 9:06 pm    Post subject:  

The elemental arrow zon builds won't work at these levels. Even in high levels, the elemental arrows will maybe get to 3k tops for damage with good gear, and that's not really a good amount to be used for dueling.

If you really want to make some kind of elemental zon, go with lightning bolt/charged strike. Those are about the highest damage skills you can get for an LLD zon. Plague/Poison java looks good on paper, but a lot of the LLD builds will have death gloves on, which completely kills a PJ zon's damage.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject:  

basically any bowzon at low level sucks. if you make a good one, let us all know, for you will probably be the first.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:18 am    Post subject:  

i was noting that a NICE rare ballista could fair about 70%ias and 70-140 dmg.

on a lvl 29 with all guided lots of run! (crap loads of avoid) knockback , it might be a real bitch,
if she hits 1000 life with 200-800 dmg. 50% critical. crushing...
(Bah!who am i kiding...)

i still think they need to go 30 ("evade" much?) to even consider a range build to go against other range chars.

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 3:12 am    Post subject:  

Jerkazoid wrote:
i was noting that a NICE rare ballista could fair about 70%ias and 70-140 dmg.

on a lvl 29 with all guided lots of run! (crap loads of avoid) knockback , it might be a real bitch,
if she hits 1000 life with 200-800 dmg. 50% critical. crushing...
(Bah!who am i kiding...)

i still think they need to go 30 ("evade" much?) to even consider a range build to go against other range chars.


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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:24 am    Post subject:  

I hafta disagree with the PJ zon. It does look nice on paper, but it also works well. At 29 I have a 7.2k plauge jav, and a 19k psn jav, with the only possible improvement being a +1 ama/3 jav Maiden over my +3 jav Maiden. Going to level 30 would let me get about a 10k plauge and 23k psn.

It's possible to beat Death Hand users, but its not easy. I'm using a little over 130% frw, and it certainly helps me escape sticky situations like that, as well as vs casters. Yes I'm on ladder, which means thats almost a full inventory of 3's (30 of them to be exact). Life is a little low now (only 430), but hey, whatever works.
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 11:49 am    Post subject:  

Delybrio wrote:

It's possible to beat Death Hand users.

i doubt it, but you say you can, want to suggest how?
anyone know how much dmg 19k poison jav and 7.2k plague jav gets knocked down to per second after 75 resist all and 75 less length?

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 12:09 pm    Post subject:  

the listed dmg is cut to:
17% pvp
25% from full res
another 25% from full length reduction

so .17*.25*.25 = .010625 listed dmg = pvp dmg

Multiply your listed dmg by .010625 and rember to lower the duration to 1/4

a 23k psn jav over 70 seconds = 244 over 17.5 seconds

some characters can use a Jad tan do
the dmg would become: 97.5 over 17.5 seconds

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 1:48 pm    Post subject:  

Jerkazoid wrote:
the listed dmg is cut to:
17% pvp
25% from full res
another 25% from full length reduction

so .17*.25*.25 = .010625 listed dmg = pvp dmg

Multiply your listed dmg by .010625 and rember to lower the duration to 1/4

a 23k psn jav over 70 seconds = 244 over 17.5 seconds

some characters can use a Jad tan do
the dmg would become: 97.5 over 17.5 seconds


the range bug is gone and a bower can no longer use those tactics to her advantge... and psn is now effected by the pvp penalty, that 83% cut is a horrible hit on charms and socketables.

so in other words, its really not worth it to make a poison zon.

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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 1:52 pm    Post subject:  

EQ has an psn zon he seems fond of..
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:29 pm    Post subject:  

edit: to not spread wrong info, see further
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:48 pm    Post subject:  

Sorry, but I think your calcs are wrong. I ran some tests, and here's the results.

19k Psn Jav over 64 Secs
6.5k Plauge Jav over 11 Secs

Letting each run its full duration, here's the damage:

Against Death Hand (75% psn resist, 75% reduction)

Plauge Jav total dmg (post pvp): 372 dmg
Psn Jav total dmg (post pvp): 971 dmg

Against Death Hand + Guardian Angel (90% psn resist, 75% reduction)

Plauge Jav total dmg (post pvp): 148 dmg
Psn Jav total dmg (post pvp): 372

I realize that the GA wont be available to llders, but it's the closest thing I can find to a Venom Ward.

I have however ran into someone who used the Jade Tan Do, and it was damn near impossible. I did manage to win, but only because the person using it didnt exactly have the best setup. I ended up running out of mana near the end, which isnt easy to do on timered spells like Plauge and Psn Jav.

I'll stand firm behind my Psn Zon!
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject:  

I can vouch for his psn zon aswell i have seen it in action/used it myself and it works very well. out of all lld chars or lvl 30-40 w/e it has come the closest to killing my necro lvl 35 than any other dueler in range that i have met including other necros
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PostPosted: Sat May 15, 2004 2:50 pm    Post subject:  

Just wanted to note, that unless I'm mistaken, +2 Jav ammys/Circlets are not possible. The best you can hope for is a +1 Amazon
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