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Jerkazoid

there is a bug with weapons speed that causes a sin dual wielding to gain better wsm
http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?p=6646912
put a fast claw on the boot side, and slow claw on glove side. lift the glove side slow claw and then replace it back. when swinging 1 hand note the fast boot side claw has becoming primary, yet its on boot side.

the wsm will be configured thusly

Torrent · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:24 am Post subject:

I'm intrigued, but you might have to explain what you said above the picture a little more ... I'm thoroughly confused. Not familiar with most of that.

Jerkazoid

wsm is a weapon speed modifier term, it works like eias (effective ias).
but bc of the math,, the value is subtracted in the code, technical forums have the values listed as negative.. this means that -30 is a VERY fast weapon. and wsm20 is a VERY SLOW weapon

so the
nutshell explanation is that the values get subtracted dumbly (bug)

glove side 1 blade talon is -20wsm
boot side of screen 1 hatchet hand it is SLOW = 10wsm

do the switch trick and voila.. u get -35wsm speed
using that trick we might be able to unlock a 10 frame Dclaw on a lvl 12.
with decent def, and good dmg this build might be able to just work just bc of pure dmg.

its essentially two TS releases and fast too. but 1/3 blocking (although it will have no blocking when walking, so its stricly melee)

its a pretty restrictive build and is not that competative im thinking...but it does have the dmg to work sometimes. i need to look into it a bit more

Torrent · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:51 am Post subject:

And you can figure out frames from the -35? I'm assuming WSM is the same as just original weapon speeds, like [-10] on a Long Sword, etc.

That's pretty sweet, having such a huge advantage in speed at vLLD. For the switch, do you make the items switch places, or simply take it out and re-place it?

Jerkazoid · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:27 pm Post subject:

hatchet hand on glove side
talon on boot side.

lift/replace hatchet on glove side

the final speed would be as if you have -35wsm. so .. have to crunch the frame rate by hand

the break is something like
64EIAS for 12 frames
76 for 11
91 for 10

now subtract the bugged -35wsm we need to hit
29eias = 12
41eias = 11
56eis = 10

IAS --> EIAS conversion formula:
IAS=(120*EIAS)/(120-EIAS)

30ias gloves translates to 24eias

then we have
5eias = 12
17eias = 11
32 eias = 10

and our bos breaks are. slvl 1-6 for eias
21 27 31 34 37 41

bos 1 hits it instantly.. we should be able to use Bfists which is always cool with slvl 8 BOS

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lets just use blade talons -20 and see what happens,, this way we can go talon/talon and use talon/shield switch for TS charging

now subtract -20 wsm we need to hit
44eias = 12
56eias = 11
71eis = 10

30ias(24eias) gloves then we have
20 eias = 12
32 eias = 11
47 eias = 10

and our bos breaks are. slvl 1-6
21 27 31 34 37 41

so.. looks like we can hit slvl 8,,, 44eis.. and dammit its 3eias away.....

NOW get 10ias on the talons and that will translate over?? thats 6eias and that SHOULD do it.

we could actually do this,, Without the bug im thinking.

the only reason we dont want to use the bug however is for TS/shield switch for TS charing,, then claw/claw switch. however that really changes the idea of vlld 12... bc then its just a normal TS,, with a claw claw release... and we cant regulate in the rules the dueler to use c/c to release. thats kinda silly to moderate.. so that out of the idea

but for pure c/c talon talon will work,, thats a bit more dmg, and ofcourse means that we dont need to start a market for rare hatchet hands lol.
sigh.. unless we want to save those 7 bos points for better ed%... which i would do i think.. darn

mungloid · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

hmmm how effective would this be without max block though

Jerkazoid · Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject:

heythattickles · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

so has any testing been done on the effectiveness of this build? i glanced over this skill a few weeks ago and was highly intrigued but dismissed it because of not having a shield. it sounds really fun, especially being different.

Torrent · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject:

His week's not up yet, give it time ...

Jerkazoid · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

side tracked by other issues, i will be trying it out though.

heythattickles · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject:

oh sorry. i didnt check the date. its cool. was just wondering.

Roy · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:02 pm Post subject:

I'm also very curious Jerkazoid -- I need to try this out myself to see if it's worth making at level 18. I know zealots will shred it, but I still enjoy PK'ing Tomb and Trav runs, and this would be awesome for that.

heythattickles · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject:

i read this but...i dont remember. isnt vlld lvl9 for melee? and this is melee. or was there reason this HAD to be at least lvl12?

Chewie · Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject:

some vllds can go to lvl 12. and 12 makes it a bit more viable because of claw blocking.

heythattickles · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:38 am Post subject:

what is the stipulation that would allow this to go to lvl12? or would it be a future rule for this build, allowing it to be competitive?