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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject:  

Yes. lvl 24. Although I highly recommend staying at lvl 23 dtalon max because @ 5 kicks a lot of the time you're completely vulnerable kicking the air with that extra hit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:49 pm    Post subject:  

wouldnt fhr take care of that problem? or are kicks uninterruptible? i dont know squat about sins -.-
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject:  

Kicks are interruptible but the problem is that you'd be kicking the air instead of keeping up with an opponent / regaining defensive advantage / etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject:  

considering strictly melee duels, do u think it would be advantageous at all?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject:  

Nope.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:20 am    Post subject:  

I'm not sure I agree with that. For pure melee duels, especially vs characters with a lot of defense, you're going to want as many pts in dtalon as you can. My hld kicker is a pure v.melee build, and she does quite well with.. lvl 34 dtalon for 6 kicks. That gives me almost 300% more ar than if I had stayed with lvl 23 kicks. For my kicker, when I'm trying to compete with 40k def zealots, I need all the ar I can get. Idk if I've ever seen anyone actually make a pure v.melee kicker in lld, but I would think the same principle would apply.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject:  

Yeah.. but from lvl 23 to lvl 24 won't give 300% ar, so that's simply not the case. The case is, at least one of the many, would be whether to swap Ik gloves with some martial art gloves. My answer is no, but this build all about independence so do whatcha gotta do, son.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject:  

if i make this id probably make it a vit build, which means less damage, so an extra kick could help me out. i might use strength too for some cb, and id pimp out fade to get me ~15 dr, and pair that with rockfleece and soe.

different speeds and such can be better/worse for different builds. more kicks could make the duel shorter for my character because of more chances to activate cb.

you are pure dmg, so perhaps our results could differ?

i spose i could swap out a 2 tree ammy or circ with etlich or pcrown.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:20 pm    Post subject:  

Torrent wrote:
i spose i could swap out a 2 tree ammy or circ with etlich or pcrown.


i was going to suggest something like this. Maybe find a really nice 1 to Asn skills ammy to use when you only want 4 kicks instead of a 2 MA ammy that you use when you want 5 kicks.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject:  

actually itd have to be the helm...forgot this char uses angelics.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject:  

You'd get the extra skill from your gloves, right? If so, I say no. Don't use the gloves, why? Pure vit = 1.2k life or something, but leave you at like 350 kick. If you don't trust me on this one, find out for yourself the hard way, but 350 kick gets you no where. You won't be able to use strength combined with fade.. too slow of kicks. I can't possibly think of one scenario where an extra kick would help. The help of an extra kick will not only leave you a bit too vulnerable for my liking, but you lose massive dmg from IK. IMO, go str build, lvl 23 kick.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:09 pm    Post subject:  

guess i can still pair str build with high dr...but ill have low life bc ill use shaels in armor/helm to hit the bp of eighty-six (keeping fleece for style/dr...you have a big life bonus from your armor).

enough str for immortals + the bonus from them should be enough...yes? ill make it hybrid-esque.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject:  

shouldn't need that fhr.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject:  

¿qué?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:11 am    Post subject:  

What I mean is, I haven't had a need for any FHR, my boots come with 10, and that's the only bp I hit. =D
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