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Dao Jones
 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual.  33.66 Silvarrr |
Got a summoner Necro in his mid-60s, and I've run out of things to put skill points into. Here's my current allotment: 20 Skeleton Mastery, Raise Skeleton and Corpse Explosion 1 Raise Skeletal Magi, Revive, Clay/Blood/Iron Golem, Golem Mastery, Summon Resist, and Teeth (CE pre-req) 1 Amp Damage, Weaken, Terror, Decrepify So at level 63 I basically finished my build, and I'm not sure where to go next. Here are my three thoughts: 1. Max Clay Golem, and use him instead of Iron Golem. 2. Max Magi, even though they generally suck. 3. Pump more points into Summon Resist, Golem Mastery, and either Clay or Iron Golem, spread out evenly. Any thoughts? _________________ 
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Torrent
 Joined: 05 Aug 2007 Posts: 1410 BNet Acct/Realm: Torrent@USEast 13.37 Silvarrr |
revive? hell monsters are normally more competent than skeles. _________________ No I don't wanna battle from beginning to end I don't want a cycle of recycled revenge I don't wanna follow Death And All of His Friends http://lld101.com/viewtopic.php?t=44473 (for my own reference) |
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Waramp
 Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 4788 0.59 Silvarrr |
magis are super _________________ 
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Dao Jones
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual. 33.66 Silvarrr |
No, no they're not. Revives are friggin' morons at any level. Plus, they tend to leave your employ the minute they go off-screen, which is immediately after you start moving. I have one point there so I can quickly recruit "shock troops" if a fight is tough (like cow levels), but I almost never use them in regular play. The five or so Revives I get is more than enough. My thought is to buff Clay, for use against major boss enemies. But I wanted some insight, possibly from other summoner necro players. _________________
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Waramp
Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 4788 0.59 Silvarrr |
oh, this is for pvm then? _________________
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Dao Jones
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual. 33.66 Silvarrr |
Way to read thread titles. 
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MortisNostre
LoPF  Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1084 0.00 Silvarrr |
id definitely invest some more in revives just because they serve as a a good utility weapon. For instance, if you can revive 5-10 urudars, then yes, your summon necro can take down uber D should he spawn on yer ass. clay golem > iron golem _________________ Care for a truly legitimate D2 trading/community forum? Cheggit out: http://www.baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/ |
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Dao Jones
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual. 33.66 Silvarrr |
Well, I can summon 5 Revived at the moment with my ghetto gear, and I expect that with a little work I can easily add another +2-3 skill to that total. So that'd be around 7-8 Revived with only the one point spent. Do I really need 15-20 Revives that'll wander off and expire 30 seconds after I summon them?
True. I'm just not sure I need to max him. _________________
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Meegz ?
Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 2671 BNet Acct/Realm: *meegz @ east ladder 39.74 Silvarrr |
on a summoner you use iron golem if your merc isnt wearing bramble (i figure his aint) I would actually put the rest of your points into psn nova or something so you can actually kill a monster to get your skeles...just a thought 
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MiKTeX
 Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 232 BNet Acct/Realm: HAHA JK MY GOOD ACCS GOT BANNED 0.00 Silvarrr |
Summoners are cool. So is corpse explosion.  I haven't played my old one in a while from real early in the ladder reset, but I remember it fairly well.
//summary at bottom in case of dislike of reading
I wouldn't, but you can, if you want.
Yes, but, honestly, they're better than any other option. In my opinion, this would be a good idea. They aren't super damage dealers, but they're decent. As stated, they're better than any other option. At least, in my opinion, they are.
Summon resist's diminishing return's are steep, and the skill caps out around 75 resist, I think. You can put a few here if you want, but I wouldn't suggest any more than 5. Unless you are using a build that entirely relies on a powerful golem to kill everything (which would be kinda neat, anyone tried this?), golem mastery is a 1 point skill. It increases the golem's frw, ar by %, and life. The frw is not very useful past whatever your +skills can get, the ar is not really needed since your golem isn't really much of a damage dealer, and the life bonus is insignificant.
They are very good for that, but:
The only thing that putting points into revive does is add more monsters. (# revives = revive level) Since you will get plenty of +skills, you will only need 1 point. Remember that it is skeleton mastery that improves your revives, but revive only adds more. My old summoner had about 15 revives with 1 point into it. //summary For now, your best bet would be to max/put points into skeletal mages. They aren't the greatest, but all of the other options aren't that amazing. Remember, when it comes down to it, put points into whatever floats your boat. High level summoners aren't very good PvP characters, so it is fairly flexible what you use. Oh, and only put 1 into revive. I did not keep my summoner equipped long enough to try this, but I was thinking of putting a few into bone wall, for protection against random stuff in areas like chaos. Just thought this would be an interesting idea. 
Hope this helps. :l _________________ 
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MortisNostre
LoPF Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1084 0.00 Silvarrr |
7-8 should be fine, maybe another point or two just because. I wasnt suggesting you max gumby, i was just advocating its use. It really is a one point wonder. I ended up investing into mages when i was playing a summoner. I honestly dont see another option really. Maybe poison Nova, but im not sure you could synergize it enough for it to have any use in hell. _________________ Care for a truly legitimate D2 trading/community forum? Cheggit out: http://www.baronsbazaar.invisionzone.com/ |
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heprea
pokemon fanatic  Joined: 17 Apr 2005 Posts: 2408 BNet Acct/Realm: europe laddars 8.01 Silvarrr |
i bumped up bone spear on my summoner necro so that i could kill fallen one s for skellies :D _________________  |
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Dao Jones
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual. 33.66 Silvarrr |
My old Summoner Necro back in the day was a sort of hybrid. After maxing Summon stuff I maxed Spear (or Spirit?). But because I didn't have enough points to synergize it, what I found was that anything my merc/golem couldn't kill I *also* couldn't kill with my attacks. So now I just keep two pieces of Trang's gear on, so I get the +18 Fireball. I guess I'll work on Magi, then, since that seems to be the consensus. I was briefly flirting with maxing my Clay Golem just so I could have a brick shithouse tank to go up against tough bosses (and doesn't cost me money or items to raise), but the tougher Magi ought to help as well. Thanks all.
You damn right, nukka. Dropping a whole field of Cows with two button clicks is always sexy. _________________
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Sad
 Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 756 0.00 Silvarrr |
Iron Golem's aura is not shared, so really is pointless in that sense. Although Iron Golem's can Be pretty good attackers depending on what you make them out of...a personal favorite for me is ik maul. Cheap, adds +damage to demons/undead and a nice amount of crushing blow. but as for the rest of your points, i would invest into either a) magis or b) golem/mastery _________________  |
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MiKTeX
Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 232 BNet Acct/Realm: HAHA JK MY GOOD ACCS GOT BANNED 0.00 Silvarrr |
I think, for the first time ever, I might consider saving IK mauls I find and putting them onto my summoner. 
Too bad they can't be ethereal. Ethereal iron golems are fun. _________________
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