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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject:  

I do
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject:  

Strange..I don't.

Grim04's FS Today, at 8:55 pm wrote:
10070.58 Silver

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject:  

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject:  

so will fs ever have a value???
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject:  

No, it was silly to think it could ever replace fg.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:14 am    Post subject:  

i think it has potential if it became backed by money...but then it would just be fg, right?
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject:  

breakbeatz2 wrote:
No, it was silly to think it could ever replace fg.


We never attemped to replace FG with anything. We banned it.

The silver mod was added by Zharous during the last site update as a convenience, so that if we ever choose to implement an LLD101 e-currency, the site will support it. LLD101 has not chosen to implement its own e-currency at this time.

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2-15 isnt possible on level 18 jewels. He must mean 2 x 15 maxers


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:42 am    Post subject:  

Actually, not only did you support forum silver:

rjg wrote:
Forum silver would be a great way to encourage more participation on the site.


but you also make it clear that it would be a good replacement for forum gold:

rjg wrote:
Everyone has already explained why FG is such a necessity in the JSP post - LLD101 currency would be the only way to take advantage of those benefits.


And you even advocated selling it for money. Just like forum gold:

rjg wrote:
I agree with Breakbeatz that LLD101 currency being sold for money is the only way to set up a market for LLD101 currency and prompt demand. Plus, Zharous deserves some reward for all the time he spends working on this site.


Sorry... I guess you thought I wouldn't remember.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject:  

Gosh, if you're going to search through old quotes, at least find one that relates to the topic at hand.

Forum silver was never given as a reason for banning FG. For you to claim that we attempted to "replace" FG with LLD101 silver is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. It's not surprising that you would take that position though, as intellectual honesty has never been your forte.

Silver's never been implemented on this site, no matter how much I (or anyone else) hoped it would be. I would still love to see forum silver on this site, but whether or not that happens, FG will still be banned.

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2-15 isnt possible on level 18 jewels. He must mean 2 x 15 maxers


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:07 am    Post subject:  

wait...so there is actual money involved? now i understand why people get so upset about it
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject:  

There is real money involved with all types of currency.

You can buy sojs for money, you can buy hrs for money, and you can buy forum gold for money.

Some people spend money on fg, others don't. Like any currency, it's up to the individual whether or not to buy it with cash.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject:  

Roy wrote:
LLD101 has not chosen to implement its own e-currency at this time.


We toyed aorund with the idea, but frankly ran into the realization that it was more trouble than it was worth, as it would be difficult to implement and was not guaranteed to be useful enough to warrant the trouble. Several problems:

1. Distributing it. We are not interested in using real world money for a site-specific currency. I give kudos to whoever is in charge of d2jsp for making capitalism work by siphoning money out of teenagers' pockets, but we weren't interested in going that route. (Not to mention the high probability that not enough people would be willing to invest the money to buy it.) So without a way to "buy" it, we had to think of something else. Buy it with in-game items? Who do you give it to? Who holds it? This would require LLD101 staff to become "bankers" of in-game items, which is frankly not something we have an interest in doing, nor would we farm this out to members, as the opportunity for abuse is rife. So we could not sell it, and we couldn't find a good way to give it away. (Post count? Lottery? Nothing reliable could be decided upon.)

2. Assigning it value. Tying into problem #1, the question becomes "how much is each FS worth"? Do you peg it to a fixed currency, like 15 lifers or SoJs? Or just let the market assign it value? With FG you have an immediate X dollars = X FG value, but with FS this would not be so.

3. Is there a point? D2 is a slowly dying game. This website does not have the population it did two years ago. (Everyone has a theory on why this is so - I'm only pointing out the reality.) Would enough of our userbase use this currency so as to make it worth doing? Would it encourage more trade at our site? We among the mods were mostly convinced it was a "moment has passed" situation.

But we may yet find a use for FS. We may allow site-specific benefits to "spending" it (lotteries for items, perhaps), or certain privileges associated with its accrual (like access to Grim's Super Secret Forum). No plan at this time is being considered for its use, but we've left in the mod for future consideration.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject:  

well, i was just trying to get a feel for it, but i understand now why some people would feel so strongly one way or another
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