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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:45 am    Post subject:  Lvl 30 Whirlwind Barb
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Lvl 30 BvB

Gear:

Helm: 3 sock/ 3 WW helm (As close to this as you can is ok) Socketed with Max jewels.

Weapon: If on NL and you dont mind dupes, for west Bramble Scythe shaeld is best, Gale thirst on east. Honor Naga or Honor Zweihander work just as fine as well, but I dont like Blood letters, due to the horrible range. Robo nagas (a 6 sock naga with 2x shael runes and 4x max/ed 14+max/15+ed's) this is a nice weapon, and the better the jewels you get, the better dmg you get (obviously).

Shield: Uped SwordBack, with Max or other mods jewel.

Armor: Atleast 900+ preferably, Peace could work as well.

Boots: Gtoes

Gloves: Ik or Up'd Bloodfists

Belt: Ik if you are using Ik gloves, if not, 15% SoE. Also, Meegz? likes to use a crafted OW belt, I have nottried it myself but it should work just as fine.

Switch: 2 Spirit weapons, or +2 warcry weapons.

Rings/Ammy: On my barb I use a +2 barb/19str/19dex/59 life ammy, sojs and max/ar/mana rings., the higher the stats, the better. Angelic ammy/rings work fine as well.
Prebuff helm: Ideally +2 warcries/+3 bo with shout would be nice. You could get a lored 3bo/3 shout, which is good as well, since the other helm would be really rare Shocked

Charms: Max/ar/lifers, and some 15life/manas, depending on how much you have.

Skills:

Masteries:

Max weapon mastery (Whatever weapon you use)
Rest into Iron skin. (I prefer this over shout, since shout can run out, although it doesnt always happen.)
Don't put anything into Increase speed!


Combat:

This skill tree should be rather empty if you have +ww from helm, it saves a lot of skills, which is real good.

Warcries:

One into shout, unless you prefer to put more into it than iron skin.
Max BO for your level.
One into BC, (Obviously)


Miscellaneous:

Why no speed on this barb? To cause slow desynch on ww, which makes more swings in your ww.

Why use Swordback? Swordback is also a must, due to the OW it gives.

This barb will not work well on chars that move around alot, because it is really slow. It is good vs some melee, but WW vs WW, it shines best.




Lvl 30 BvC

Gear:

Helm: 3 sock/ 3 WW helm (As close to this as you can is ok) Socketed with Max jewels.

Weapon If on NL and you dont mind dupes, for west Bramble Scythe shaeld is best, Gale thirst on east. Honor Naga or Honor Zweihander work just as fine as well, but I dont like Blood letters, due to the horrible range.Robo nagas (a 6 sock naga with 2x shael runes and 4x max/ed 14+max/15+ed's) this is a nice weapon, and the better the jewels you get, the better dmg you get (obviously).

2nd hand Weapon/Shield: Atsod with max jewels, Duo Wield for some opponents

Armor: Peace for most opponents. If you really want to be mean to cold, thuld hawkmail works well. If you are having trouble catching some opponents, stealth works.

Boots: Sanders boots, or 20-30 frw/fhr/tri resists/ stat mods.

Gloves: Ik or Up'd Bloodfists

Belt: Ik if you are using Ik gloves, if not, 15% SoE.Also, Meegz? likes to use a crafted OW belt, I have nottried it myself but it should work just as fine.

Switch: 2 Spirit weapons, or +2 warcry weapons.

Rings/Ammy: + skill/life/stat/resists is good. Angelics always work as well. Sojs and Ar/Resist/Max/Stats work well.

Charms: [i]Max/ar/lifers, 15life/manas, max/ar/frw, max/ar/fhr (If you need more), Life / Resist charms if your resists are lacking.


Skills:

Masteries:

Max weapon mastery (Whatever weapon you use)
+1 Into Natural resists
+1 into Inc Speed if you dont have it from different gear.


Combat:

This skill tree should be rather empty if you have +ww from helm, it saves a lot of skills, which is real good.
Some people find frenzy useful, especially if you want to desynch more, it is hard to find something to charge up on, but if you have extra skills, why not?

Warcries:

One into shout, unless you prefer to put more into it than iron skin.
Max BO for your level.
One into BC, (Obviously)


Credits:

Basically a lot from this site, the slow desynch ww I heard about from Viet. Thanks also to Meegz?, Bel, meit, and Krajee,some of this information I got from them at some point.
Comments/Something that should be added, do tell.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject:  

Uped Gores --> gorefeet? what about sanders.. 100ar 15stats 40frw..
weaponmastery affects the max dmg from rest of the gear .. or just the weapon?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:56 am    Post subject:  

Meant Gtoes, sorry edited. And the point in the BvB is to have no frw so you slow desynch ww.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:29 pm    Post subject:  

Beat meitou to it. (and thanks him and bel for the idea)

2shael/4jewel naga with honor offhand works well for bvc. If you need to stack against high level cold sorcs, you can use a 2shael/4 coldres/max jewels offhand instead of honor.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject:  

check your warcries for the bvc, talked about shout. other than that doesnt sound too bad
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:56 pm    Post subject:  

couple questions:
for the bvc, wouldnt knouts be better? 13-35 base dmg vs 19-35, but WAY lower reqs. also both are 3 range and -10 speed.

couldnt nat's boots be good for this char? 40 frw and nice resists.

cbf for bvc? would you recommend ditching the soe for a death's belt, or ditching peace for a spirit shroud?

lastly, would this helm be good for a bvc?

i realize it doesnt have +ww, but its still sexy. needs a not good max dmg jewel.
but the real question is would it be better than my 3 soc, 3 bo, 2 increased speed helm?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject:  

i think this barb could kill any melee character pretty easy. slow ww ftw.

getting slowed from cold makes the barb more not good.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject:  

Gheed wrote:
Beat meitou to it. (and thanks him and bel for the idea)

2shael/4jewel naga with honor offhand works well for bvc. If you need to stack against high level cold sorcs, you can use a 2shael/4 coldres/max jewels offhand instead of honor.


Yes, I think the robo naga is the best, for bvb or bvc, 121 str isnt bad. Also wouldn't 10% cb +20 life gloves be better then iks? All ik does is def and stats, Iks if good for bvb def+blocking, but usless for the most part for casters, except stats. If you use a Gale then Iks is a must have, but a robo naga you have better options. Also with a +3 ww helm and not putting any on ww, WW being your main skill seems dumb, me and a few guys I know did the math and you should be able to almost max or max weapon masterie, 1 shout, max bo to the lvl, one on iron skin, one on nat res I belive, 1 ww. But getting ww you get leap and leap attk, both are usefull. I mean dumping the rest in Iron skin cmon. On top of all that you have the option of using my helm that does +67 life +2 increase speed (saving you two skills.), +1 iron skin with 3 open sockets. And on top of that one more skill over the sap that didn't put any on ww. This is east nl of course so you get full rush. (Sorry in advance for possible grammer and math mistakes.)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject:  

but if you cant catch them because you're cold, thats no good either
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:17 pm    Post subject:  

sorry i meant to say getting chilled against melees makes the barb better. by all means get cbf if your fighitng a ranged person.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject:  

Vietthehand wrote:
sorry i meant to say getting chilled against melees makes the barb better. by all means get cbf if your fighitng a ranged person.


Nuah, I heard cold slows your ww attk frames.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject:  

Miscellaneous:

Why no speed on this barb? To cause slow desynch on ww, which makes more swings in your ww.

Why use Swordback? Swordback is also a must, due to the OW it gives.

both untrue, a 72 max tower shield is at least tied with a up'd swordback.
since when does having no frw does not make your ww hit more often?
if you are BvB, and you use goblin foot, you will have to use angelics for sure unless your opponant is wearing peace
if you're on east and using dupes, plague star is the #1 bvb weapon

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject:  

you attack a set # of times per second with ww. so the less frw you have, the slower you will pass over your opponent, and the more times they are within your ww range. so if you have 200 frw, you'll ww over them in a split second, maybe only getting 1 or 2 hit checks in. if it takes you a full second or more to pass over your opponent, the more chances you have to hit them.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 4:36 pm    Post subject:  

In bvb, if both people don't care if tactics are used (waiting for opponents ww to end, angling ww, clipping, etc) then both the range 3 weapon and o/w from swordback definately make a huge difference. The only reason I see to use max damage shield/bhammer is if you just ww straight through each other all the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:25 pm    Post subject:  

but your frw doesnt make you ww faster
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