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Elusive
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:27 am Post subject:
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waramp wrote: | zealot > kicker > conc barb > zealot. its a vicious cycle. |
i havent met one i couldnt beat =]
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crawlingdeadman
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject:
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well i hell rushed to get extra stats/skills to try out one of gheed's suggestions. while looking at what to dump the extra couple points in i decided to try out cloak of shadows. is there a reason no one has mentioned it? i'm thinking of it in a similar vein to inner sight; cast before a duel. it doesnt last long but i was planing on casting with the shadow claws before a duel and quickly switching for longer duration and better effect. is it just a given that this is where you dump points and i'm just too newbish to KNOW?
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Waramp
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:
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i pumped cloak of shadows on my sin. i find it very useful vs high def chars, especially with the already high ar that kickers have
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skarfacex42
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject:
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str adds alot of dmg
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crawlingdeadman
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:10 am Post subject:
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skarfacex42 wrote: | str adds alot of dmg |
not the most helpfull post i've read but it does bring up a question i've had since i met someone (ear i think) who recomended an all strength build. is there a general consensis as to which does better? i'll look for a guid/build and determine which i think is better...maybe i'll make another kicker and compare.
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krajee
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:43 am Post subject:
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Pumping strength for a level 18 build isn't too effective. You'll get about 10-10 extra pvp damage by pumping str.
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AchtzehnOwnage
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject:
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the point into tiger strike is useless if you tell us charging does not work well
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Barbask
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject:
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hey i dont really agree with the sigon helm, i found this 20s visionary helm for lvl 18 i was thinking of using this. if i did what would be the best choices to put in the sockets? i agree with almost everything else in this build
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject:
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Barbask wrote: | hey i dont really agree with the sigon helm, i found this 20s visionary helm for lvl 18 i was thinking of using this. if i did what would be the best choices to put in the sockets? i agree with almost everything else in this build |
FYI that +18%ar is added with DT's 445%. not multiplied. (18% of 445% is 4% increase in effective ar, thats marginal at best)
you must understand Sigons helm adds 8 PER level with the boots(50) AND 30 mana. So since we already have Slvl 18 DT thats +445% ar without visonary
taking the contribution from Sig helm+boots as 8*18 +50 * 445%
= +1057 final ar from your slvl 18 DT alone.
now without sigons replacing the helm and just adding visonery+18% to the existing angelics
angelics432+50sig boots * 18% = +86 more to the final ar when adding Visonary to that existing gear
1057 vs 86 ar?
double amyth the helm for 300 ar. but then again its just getting 18% added making a bonus 54 final ar.
that 18%s performance is pretty lame
u should by default have about 3-4k from angelics(216) and dexterity alone.......and trying to argue u replace angelics, well, finding a rare ring that can beat the 20lfe (7stats needed) along with that 212 ar is improbable.. i have a +9stat 87 ar and even i dont use for its 7life at a cost of 125ar and 6replenish so trying to squeeze out more is not going to help your output, (not forgetting it is cleary performing at a much lower value then sigons helm anyway)
just Visonary is a poor mod to focus on, especially here on the kicker,, they already have so much Ar% its like adding ed% to zealots rather then +max.. not to mention ar has the diminishing returns anyway and like i said your hitting 3k by default
most def 18's u meet are barely hitting 2.2k but the have sacrificed some dmg. ud still be better off with Eth rune flange to knock -12.5% of that 2000 and grow your CTH using a reverse diminishing effect
if u need more AR focus on some ar/life sc's and make up the ar that way since single mod sc's are a huge min/max waster.
but dont chop out a 3rd socket (or duskdeep or 3 Pskulls vs kicker or sigons) just to add < 100 ar.
maybe if its a cir with +1ma? with good life/mana 2os Sure go for it,
but...
if u really really want it. i suggest Pruby for 62life
if u cant reach 80 mana with good charms, maybe use 2 Psaphs
2 amys add about an 2 avg pvp, pretty much a worthless return by comparison.. Pskulls for kicker vs kicker is good as the mana regen and life regen helps longevity.
ith rune? meh not really.
20% jewels only add based off the boots so they are adding a lame amount similair to the Amyths,, (and it wont even get boosted by TS so its doubly lame)
i use a 3os 114life mask, plain simple effective...or 3Pskulls for kicker vs kicker... duskdeep also is useful. (tarn helm not so much, same with biggens)
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Barbask
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject:
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im not that to concerned about the life, im making this kicker for 2v2 with my friend using a fissure druid i can tell you the build im making, should i make a new post or is it alright in here?
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject:
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i think its fine here. the dynamics will depend deeply on who your fighting, though we can try to account for avg's
im still trying to work small details out, i have a habit of posting to soon bc i must write out thoughts before i can organize it. then i post early etc..
[edit ok plans changed]
let equate from pure AR/mana stand point as thats the differences
Shelm144 + Sboot50 + 150 amyth *445% = 1874ar +30mana
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boot50 (+1sig item belt or gloves) +150 amyth + 38mana spaph *463% =
1126 ar +38mana
for pure AR with the same mana a 3os mask =
2amythysts(300) +1psaphire(38mana) and the sig boots+1 for 50 to =
300 + 50 +38mana *445% = 1907 +38 mana
there now that i have the numbers right we have that info
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Barbask
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject:
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Helm:working on that
ammy:angelic
armour:twitch
weapon:crushflange
sheild:swordback
boots:21mana/8%mana regen/4%increased mana/13 cold res(crafted greaves)
rings:x2 angelic
belt:deaths
gloves:bloodfists
my invo:x37 15life scs some with str mods a few with 3-5 mana
its hell rushed with stats/lifepotion/anya/skills quests
thats y i dont think using sigon helm is worth it because im not using the others pieces i dont get the ar bonus, im still looking for the 1shadow claws for switch
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject:
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i assume your going to do 0 ts and pump bos to 6 with +gear?
are u paired random 2 on 2 or u have a set role?
i think the best flexibility with what u are probably doing is a 3os mask* unless the vis helm i a sweet rare circ.
and imo if squeezing every point into life/mana really isnt a major concern then i suggest 3 Pskulls with slight PK tactic of avoidance, (if your fighting two low dmg builds then use duskdeep)
*now for some comparisons*
1)
with angleics and dex your at about 700 base ar already (= about 3815 ar anyway)
a) two Pamythyst with the 18% is going to make 1000ar +463% = 5630
b)three Pamyth 3os mask 1150 +445% = 6267
c) u can do Two amythyst in the mask and have 1os for Pskull
5450 ar is plenty +added regen
... etc
d) 4633 final ar 2Pskull
e) 3815 final ar for 3Pskulls
2)
comparison of sc and gems
1 socket is 150 ar OR 38 mana. its almost 4:1 ar/mana on the P gems.
on sc's its 12ar vs 7mana preffix, closer to 2:1
conclusion; use double affix sc's to maximize +mana/life
and if you want to boost AR add it with Perf Amythyts on armor
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Barbask
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject:
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its me and my friend dueling together against random opponents, he's using fissure druid, and im well using a kicker. i dont think ill need the 4-6k ar with the amythest variations, because what lvl 18 is going to have THAT much defence to make a difference with 3.4k or watever, the only build i can say is a concen barb which then since its a 2v2, my friend can easily beat a concen barb since he should have the low res from sacrificing it for the def. thats my opinion i guess the 3 pskulls would make a a great tactic incase of a epic battle, but doesnt the str from the amythest increase my dmg by quite a bit?
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Although not recognized as a true bushi by some japanese experts, Musashi is a icon of the samurai culture. He started from nothing, as a hungry little boy in a small village called Miyamoto, and became one of the greatest warriors in Japan. Famous by using both swords during a embate, Musashi has won over 60 deadly duels during his live
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Barbask
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Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject:
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also with the extre skills left i was thinking of using blade fury is it? thats 4 skill points to get 1 point into it which is all youll need, but i dont know if the crushflange is strong enough, i could get a eth one if the durability doesnt go down when kicking ( doesnt seem like it would but i dont know), also id like to know if BoS increases kicking speed?
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Although not recognized as a true bushi by some japanese experts, Musashi is a icon of the samurai culture. He started from nothing, as a hungry little boy in a small village called Miyamoto, and became one of the greatest warriors in Japan. Famous by using both swords during a embate, Musashi has won over 60 deadly duels during his live
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