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Grim04
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:
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Wank wrote: | So its mature to post immature crap on a forum? Hmmm. |
Porn is immature?
80% of stuff posted in the Off-Topic forum is immature.
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject:
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Grim04 wrote: | Dao Jones wrote: | Not our job to be parents. And trying to age-filter here is pointless. |
Exactly, don't be a parent and complain about stuff we post. |
What do you think my job is, numbnuts? I have exactly two responsibilities here:
1. Make sure the rules are followed
2. Maintain the best interests of the site
It's #2 that's at issue here. You seem to be too young or too ignorant to understand how easily lawsuits can take a site offline. Did you see an "18 or older age verification" link prior to logging on here? No, you didn't, huh? That means that ANYONE of ANY age can join this site. D2 may be 17 or older, but the truth is we are not; not because we choose to be "all ages", but because the reality is that we really don't need to enforce age minimums for this place. And even if the probability of some angry parent bringing a lawsuit against us is slim to none, the fact is that as one of two people responsible for this site (and Zharous' investment, if you will), I need to be proactive about such things.
At the end of the day this is very uncomplicated, Grim. I tell you not to post internet porn memes here, and you do what I tell you. End 'o fucking discussion. You wanna bitch about free speech restrictions, or oppressive moderation, or me being a meanie doo-doo head, then either take it to PMs, or take it off the site. Either way, shut up and drop it.
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Grim04
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject:
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We're not posting direct links, people are free to google what they want. If we make an off the cuff remark about some old internet meme, then it's their choice to either look it up or not.
If a parent complains about porn references and the what-not, that's their problem for not taking an active role in what they view online.
It's not our fault that the people under the age of 18 are googling whatever we type.
Heaven forbid someone mentions sex, or else we could get taken offline.
Again Dao, there's no reason to try to be the step-mother no one wanted.
This discussion shouldn't be taken to PMs, because it's a site related issue... not an issue dealing between individuals.
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Wank
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:
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Grim04 wrote: | Wank wrote: | So its mature to post immature crap on a forum? Hmmm. |
Porn is immature?
80% of stuff posted in the Off-Topic forum is immature. |
What part of my statement confused you? Kids get geeked by porn, the "immature" ones by your book. A "mature" person should enjoy the real deal.
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject:
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Grim04 wrote: | We're not posting direct links, people are free to google what they want. If we make an off the cuff remark about some old internet meme, then it's their choice to either look it up or not. |
What's your fascination with this? Do you REALLY have to discuss perverse internet porn on lld101.com? Is this really the best forum for that sort of conversation? We had hoped that people would use their best judgement here. But again... what's your obsession? "Haha! A horse is sodomizing a guy in the butt! Haha! This girl is shooting feces out her ass all over herself! Haha, isn't the internet whacky?!"
This isn't the place for it. Move on.
Quote: | If a parent complains about porn references and the what-not, that's their problem for not taking an active role in what they view online. |
See my previous post, and wise up.
Quote: | Heaven forbid someone mentions sex, or else we could get taken offline. |
Did I say "don't mention sex"? I said "don't discuss shit that kids might look up and get freaked out by." Be an adult.
Quote: | Again Dao, there's no reason to try to be the step-mother no one wanted. |
Again, my job is to keep the site's wellbeing in mind. Spare me the hyperbole - I'm probably the most permissive admin this board has ever known, and you know it as well as any. But I'm drawing the line on this one, and that's the way of it.
Quote: | This discussion shouldn't be taken to PMs, because it's a site related issue... not an issue dealing between individuals. |
No, it's not. It's you getting pissy because I'm telling you not to discuss men getting asspounded by horses. And I told you to drop it, and you didn't. I told you if you wanted to complain further that you could do it in PMs. I'm telling you this discussion is over, because it's not a "site-related issue", it's you whining about something that no one in their right mind should have an issue with.
You want to discuss porn? Go join a porn site. Now leave it be. I don't mind the conversations around here getting colorful from time to time, but don't make me regret it. The reason why we have to have rules, word censors, and crap like that is because YOU people can't get a clue through your skulls how to act around here. We give you an inch, you take a mile, and then bitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitchbitch when we try to pull it back to 100 feet.
Now, stop screwing up this perfectly useless thread with your irrational issues, Grim. If I have to lock it because you won't let frivolous complaints lie then I'm going to be irritated.
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject:
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some signature grade material in that postwhich i will not be keeping for more then a couple days (hilarious btw, makes me think of lewis black doing his Kim Jong II joke "ahahah i got nuclear weapons suck my nuts kiss my balls muahahahah!!!")
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Grim04
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:08 am Post subject:
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How would no one in their right mind not have an issue with censorship?
I've yet to post anything referencing any sort of porn/sex/fetish site, but I think I should have the right to reference it.
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:11 am Post subject:
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Grim04 wrote: | How would no one in their right mind not have an issue with censorship?
I've yet to post anything referencing any sort of porn/sex/fetish site, but I think I should have the right to reference it. |
Ahh, the C-word. Always thrown around so foolishly. Sort of like when Bush was making the case for war in Iraq, and he kept referring to Saddam as Hitler. Let me educate you, Grim, since you seem unable to understand the difference between "freedoms", and "laws".
You don't have the right to drive 100mph down a 25mph street. Is that an infringement on your civil liberties or freedoms? No. The state has decided that it is in the interest of the common good that you only drive 25mph on that street; hence, you cannot drive more than 25mph without getting a ticket. Likewise, you cannot go on television and say "I once saw Mike Huckabee eat a live baby, and it was during a Satanic ritual that is part of his devil worship". That would be slander, and you can be sued for it.
So, now that we've established that not everything you personally want to do is a freedom, let me offer you one last point - one that I feel obligated to bring up every time someone throws a hissy-fit here:
LLD101.com is not a democracy. It is a privately owned entity, and you only have those rights here which we grant you. There can be no censorship, because your membership here is a tacit acknowledgement that you agree to follow every rule we set forth, and there is also an understanding that the privilege of posting here can be revoked at any time, for any reason. For the record, I'm stating the obvious here, and this is equally true on Baron's Bazaar, d2jsp, GameFAQs, CC-Comp, and every other website on the entire internet. The difference between us and some of them is that I try to explain this to you, whereas most other websites would just ban your ass and move on.
Try posting horse porn on GameFAQs, and see how fast you get banned from that site. Try going to Bioware's Mass Effect website and posting half the shit you get away with here, and see how long it flies. Hell the names of most of those internet memes are automatically flagged on GameFAQs for moderation, so even using them in a sentence can get you in trouble.
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zarc
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:22 am Post subject:
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Dao Jones wrote: | Fyarbeast, I suggest you check your PMs. |
i have no new messages....yet!
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:
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I deleted your post instead. But I sent you a pm anyway, so you wouldn't feel lonely.
And, since Grim apparently needs lld101.com for his sexual gratification, I humbly offer an excellent reason to move to Norway: a song entitled My Boobs are OK. Sorry there's no beastiality or fecophelia in there for ya, Grim.
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zarc
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:56 am Post subject:
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wtf did you find that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWHW-jxxS1U&feature=related
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject:
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Grim04 wrote: | How would no one in their right mind not have an issue with censorship?
I've yet to post anything referencing any sort of porn/sex/fetish site, but I think I should have the right to reference it. |
i <3 this debate, 1st amendment arguments rock <cracks knuckles>
Grim; freedom of speech does not mean we are all free to freely exhibit.
the individuals in these videos are performing an exhibition, not expression. you would need peer reviewed conceptional integrity and a definable interpretation for it to be shown as legitimate expression. (either case, it is of adult nature though and not allowed here). these performances of adult material, soft or shocking, are therefore mostly service (parts and labor) for free. Prostitution in its intent therefore a commodity, not information at all.
your free to argue it IS art, but without infrastructure to gain credibility and legitimization, the argument alone without some documentation by the performers, and without some formal presentation, does not qualify the exhibit as expression.
besides left to your own interpretation is just 1 persons word against another, and not a consensus,, you would be hard pressed to find enough momentum to gain universal agreement.
an exhibition of this regard is not speech.
referencing this non-speech is therefore partially, (but not exclusively) facilitation of that exhibition.
Because it is traceable in its specificity it is incumbent of lld101 members NOT to corrupt a minor with reasonably strong inferences/references/keywords to specific exhibitions.
saying donkey butt love,, is free speech.
providing a keyword to gain access to an exact exhibition of donkey butt love for viewing, is not. Innocence of intent is hard to prove therefore would also be insubstantial
so here are some legal tidbits i see so far.
Grim; your freedom is preserved bc you have the freedom (for now) to debate.
Dao. the rules of the forum altered last week without warning.
Grim(and everyone); ignorance of rule/law would not grant immunity of guilt.
Dao. those who infringed previous to article 4's creation would have reasonable doubt on their guilt and therefore would be found not-guilty.
and i base this on absolutely nothing,, bc i dont have any credential to practice law and this is not a public domain
ooh ooh, <raises hand> who thinks the states should recognize a reporters privilege? meaning; the RIGHT to keep confidential sources to protect their ability to provide the public (to which the press is surrogate) information.
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Wank
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject:
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Grim is starting to sound like breakbeatz, only you know without an actual point or a valid motive.
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:
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Wank wrote: | Grim is starting to sound like breakbeatz, only you know without an actual point or a valid motive. |
No, that's pretty much exactly like breakbeatz.
Jerkazoid wrote: |
Because it is traceable in its specificity
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providing a keyword to gain access to an exact exhibition of donkey butt love for viewing, is not. |
This is exactly the point. You'll note, for example, that I didn't say anything when Jerkazoid posted about pictures of "getting blasted by horses" at his workplace. It was skimming the edge, but no liability or issue on our part.
As to the subject of "guilt", it's a moot point. There's no retroactive punishment here. I just ask that, going forward, people be a little smarter about what they post in a forum that is potentially accessible to kids.
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:23 am Post subject:
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So i probably shouldn't post This then should i...
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