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Dao Jones
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject:
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I'm currently torn between three ideas:
Lidless Wall (20% FCR, increase mana 10%, other mods, low str req)
Splendor (Pretty much the same, with less FCR and a blocking mod)
Spirit Monarch (many fine and dandy mods)
Spirit seems the obvious choice, with one notable exception: it requires a freakin' huge Strength investment. (156). Which would be fine, except that nothing else I'm using requires anywhere near that much strength: Shako, Hoto, Arach (eventually), Frostburns, Waterwalks, Vipermagi all require < 60 Strength.
My plan had been to stay at 60 Strength, and pump everything else into Dex or Vitality. Considering the 4:1 Life to Vitality gain a barb gets, I'd be losing almost 400 Health (before BO) to use the Spirit. So while the Spirit mods are outstanding, and easily better than whatever the Lidless/Splendor could offer, I'm wondering if the Vit sacrifice (not to mention the extra dex needed to reach a good blocking point w/ Spirit) is ultimately worth it.
Any suggestions? (Incidentally, I'm planning on using a shield because otherwise I get horribly brutalized by any melee opponent.)
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Captain Crunch
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject:
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well with a hoto, arach, and vmagi, u have 90 fcr. and if u dont wanna stack up to the str u need for a spirit, htne lidless sounds good. your gunna need the extra fcr to hit another bp, or u will cast too slow.
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:32 pm Post subject:
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forsaken wrote: | well with a hoto, arach, and vmagi, u have 90 fcr. and if u dont wanna stack up to the str u need for a spirit, htne lidless sounds good. your gunna need the extra fcr to hit another bp, or u will cast too slow. |
True. Or I could keep it with two weapons and never duel against melee. (Just looked at what my Dex requirements will be to get decent block with a shield at higher levels... almost 200... I may just forget using a shield altogether...)
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Captain Crunch
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject:
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well if your not gunna use a shield, u might wanna consider getting enuff fcr to hit the 200 bp. could be pretty useful
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Koshi
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject:
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Use enigma if you want the shield?
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 5:35 pm Post subject:
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You'll pretty much need enigma on a HLD singer either way...you'll never catch teleporters without it. And if you're going to use a shield, use spirit vs casters for the fhr/mana/fcr and Stormshield vs melee.
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:12 pm Post subject:
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Ehhh wrote: | And if you're going to use a shield, use spirit vs casters for the fhr/mana/fcr and Stormshield vs melee. |
The more I look at it, the more I'm not sure I'm going to use a shield. For an LLD it seems fairly necessary (since I'm always fighting mixed duels in pub games), but if I focus on just higher level casters I might be able to go without one. Using a shield means dropping at a minimum 150 points into Dex to keep my block rate high enough. That ends up being over 1200 hit points I'd lose from Vit + BO, and I'm wondering if it's worth it. Even with max block I'll probably lose to any paladin anyway (since they have such fast fbr and fhr speeds usually) and ww barbs (since they ww right through my cries and don't get caught in hit recovery), and against most other duelers I don't need a shield anyway. But if there's someone on here that has a high level singer I'd be curious to hear what their choice was regarding shield use.
Ehhh wrote: | You'll pretty much need enigma on a HLD singer either way...you'll never catch teleporters without it. And if you're going to use a shield, use spirit vs casters for the fhr/mana/fcr and Stormshield vs melee. |
I'm 1/3th of the way there - I have an Ith!
Seriously. I'll never get a Jah or Ber rune, so I can forget using an Enigma. I had a +2 Warcries ammy w/teleport at one point, and if I can find it I'll probably use that.
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:
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Doesn't Spirit add something like 99 vitality...?
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Grim04
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject:
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It adds 22 to vitality, but +vita on items doesnt work with battle orders.
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just shdw
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:39 am Post subject:
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switch between ss and spirit for different duels and use 2 hotos for caster duels, enigma is a must for catster duels and you need the 105% cast bp or your stun wont be very effective. get a wc cast ammy and arach and you should be around enough. godly circlet helps too, but going for a shael shako= huge boost to mana life but youd have to make up the cast somewhere else lost from circlet blah blah blah...
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:16 pm Post subject:
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shdw_DeathAdder wrote: | switch between ss and spirit for different duels and use 2 hotos for caster duels, enigma is a must for catster duels and you need the 105% cast bp or your stun wont be very effective. get a wc cast ammy and arach and you should be around enough. godly circlet helps too, but going for a shael shako= huge boost to mana life but youd have to make up the cast somewhere else lost from circlet blah blah blah... |
Actually, I made a HotO for this guy to use (my first ever high-level rune word - go me!) and I have to admit I'm a bit disappointed. Maybe I'm just used to being underequipped, but I really prefer my twin Spirits. Sure, I lose +1 skill, 5-8% FCR and a few other minor abilities, but I gain huge bonuses from the Spirit: +22 Vitality, +100 or more mana (which ends up being a humongous amount with SoJ and BO), 55% FHR, and other assorted goodies. Right now I have this set-up at level 62:
Helm: Shako (no sockets)
Armor: Vipermagi
Weapon #1: Hoto
Weapon #2: Spirit
Belt: 10% Fcr caster belt (Arach when I hit level 80)
Ring #1: SoJ
Ring #2: Ravenfrost (needed cbf!)
Ammy: +2 WC ammy w/out fcr
Boots: Waterwalks (heavily considering a move to Silkweaves)
Gloves: Frostburns
This set-up gives me 112% FCR. I'm beginning to realize that the extra +skills I get from items aren't as significant at higher levels, at least for a Singer. While +1 skill may amount to hundreds of extra damage for a sorceress, it only ends up being maybe 30-50 more damage for me. I desperately needed cbf somewhere, and because I still need the belt until level 80 and I'm not using a shield I decided to swap in a Ravenfrost, and to be honest, I don't miss the SoJ. Raven gives +mana and cold absorb, and the SoJ only gave me the +skill (which also raised my casting cost), and maybe 50-70 more mana before BO. I'm very tempted to move back to twin Spirits, which will put me exactly at 105% fcr (33 + 32 Spirits, 10 belt, 30 Armor), and give me another couple of hundred mana. (And free up that hoto to trade for a certain PnB circlet I'm desperate to obtain for my necro.)
Still want to hear from an experienced Singer player, because I don't think that even a shield will help me against paladins (except chargers), and if that's the only reason I'd need a shield, I may just go without and focus on Life. (and avoiding duels versus melee/charger pallys)
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ederfico
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject:
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You seem like your strategy is to kill casters, but there is no way you will catch up to a caster with magi. lol. You definitely need enigma, and then you can even take off the raven since you don't care about being frozen when teleporting. Instead of the raven, you can then use a +str ring (if u need it to get to spirit), or another SoJ which will benefit you alot (maybe more than the other spirit)... That's my 2 cents.
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just shdw
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject:
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and vs casters that extra 60 - 80 resist from hotos will make a huge difference and negate their skills/facets. cham your shako ditch the raven land another soj.
save up for a decent ammy or get a maras to start, all i got to say.
i made my singer lvl 89 w/o enigma any caster i versed beat me easily, enigma on i won almost every time
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:
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shdw_DeathAdder wrote: | cham your shako ditch the raven land another soj.
save up for a decent ammy or get a maras to start, all i got to say.
i made my singer lvl 89 w/o enigma any caster i versed beat me easily, enigma on i won almost every time |
If I ever get a Cham, or the runes for an Enigma, I'll do both these things. Thanks.
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just shdw
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 12:58 am Post subject:
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i have both my iso is in my sig 1250+ scarab enigma btw
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