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LLD_Pie · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 515 0.00 Silvarrr

in 1.9 zonz pwnd basicaly everything except equaly well hacked barbs

in 1.10 hammerdins bacame the popular own everything character

now with greif on ladder do you think smiters will be the new pvp char of choice? ive noticed that a pure smiter/charger Edit: and V/T can wreck basicaly everthing..my lvl 59 smiter rarely dies to anything under lvl 75...

just thought id get some opinions

EDIT: pshh forgot to put V/T in there

Captain Crunch · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 3234 0.00 Silvarrr

ive seen some foher/smiters that are really powerful

but i bet a charger/smiter would be good too

wake-up · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:08 am Post subject:

Maybe just Paladins in general? FOHers are really hard to beat for most classes, unless you stock up on absorb and stack, Smiters were good before the new runewords and now they look incredibly nasty, and Zeal pallies with Exile are very good except perhaps against casters. Charge pallies are devestating against any casters without summons.

CareBearsRule · Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 142 0.00 Silvarrr

Paladins overpowered?

There should be a new patch. ^.^

Phyre · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:01 am Post subject:

Zealers will never compete with any half decent caster first off.

Hammerdins were powerful before but certainly not the top dueling class, I regularly killed them with my necro.

The new V/T's and Charge/Smiters with Grief will be tougher, but not that much stronger than their original forms against casters. V/T's will only really use FoH against casters and Charge/Smiters will only really use Charge. Any half decent caster won't let you get a smite off.

The paladin killer of choice is still the Windy.
- Cyclone armor = FoH is useless.
- Minion stack = Smite and charge are useless.

Their only hope is to get a very lucky Lifetap trigger and hope they can smite to death before they are nado'ed to death. I would put my money on the Windy in a tankfest.

LLD_Pie · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 515 0.00 Silvarrr

Phyre your absolutely right... the best way to kill them is minion stacking... in fact thats probably the only way... i built my pally for caster pk which means he has... depending on set up somwhere upwards of 180 stacked resist... unfortunately with all the pubby newbs that use AA minion stacking isnt as effective as it sould be against charger :-/

Phyre · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:

Just another reason to do what I intend to be doing should I start another HLD, make a WW barb. They are the, in my opinion, ultimate anti-aa char. Built right they can stack enough res to negate just about anyone with little sacrifice, they have enough life to survive alot more than most chars, and lastly so many AA attacks are nullified by simply doing short WWs. Downwards in the case of AAing Hammerdins and Windies, away from the target in the case of chargers.

Correctly played, they have a chance against anything. They have no perfect counter, only overcomeable weaknesses. I still favor my necro, but I certainly want to start a BvC barb one day.

VoicesLLD · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:

how can they stack magic reduction? necromancers school ww barbs.

Phyre · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:28 pm Post subject:

bad_luck · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject:

[quote="VoicesLLD"]how can they stack magic reduction? necromancers school ww barbs.[/quote]

That's a bold statement. My MLD barb hasn't met a MLD Necro he cant kill and that includes a few level 7x's. While you can't stack magic damage reduction, you make up the difference with life (my lvl 54 has over 3000) and massive damage. Even with the Marrow Walk bug, once you get past the bone armor, most necro's just don't have that much life. Build to tank the first volley of spears/spirits and you can own them. Just my .02 cents.

VoicesLLD · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:14 pm Post subject:

dragonlord543 · Joined: 21 Feb 2005 Posts: 27 0.00 Silvarrr

Knifer · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject:

basically any necro with max block and a good bone armor will kill a ww barb anyday. mine has taken hits from barbs with all the stuff, 400 some ebotdZ, enigma etc etc. also a good necro will tele out of the way of a tele'd ww and spear him to death

zoe_lldgod · Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 405 0.00 Silvarrr

I agree with Voices. You must not have met a really good necro yet. In MLD, a good necro is going to be at 125% frw or more. Try catching that, especially with no teleport and trying to WW. I know you can easily hit 2-3k spirits and spears. That's 500 damage a pop. The highest life barb I've seen under level 60 was 4.2k life, and he'd still be dead in 9 hits. When you stop and think about it, that's really not too much.

VoicesLLD · Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

spirit is used to herd your opponent into a predictable run path. thats when you shoot spear at them.