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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject:  Attack Speeds with Zeal
Subject description: 0 speed weps and -10 weps
 

According to this:

http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english

A Paladin with a crystal sword and twitchthrow gains NOTHING from deaths hand/sash. Same for a Paladin with a -10 weapon such as a pick, nothing is gained. If this is right, the choice of gloves for virtually every llder ever has been useless...

my reality is shattered...

EDIT: The old calculator blows, new calc shows more details.

http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc_titanseal/speedcalc_english.php

A Crystal sword receives increase of 2 ticks, -10 wep gets 5 ticks.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject:  

Code:
0 %   14   1.7
9 %   13   1.9
19 %   12   2
32 %   11   2.2
54 %   10   2.5


paladin with crystal sword and twitch you will reach 19% / 12 / 2
paladin with crystal sword / twitch and death combo: 32% 11 / 2.2

I see something in there.

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0 %   13   1.9
7 %   12   2
18 %   11   2.2
35 %   10   2.5


paladin with military pick and twitch you will reach 18% / 11 / 2.2
paladin with military pick / twitch and deatch combo: 35% / 10 / 2.5

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: oops  

I meant while using zeal as attack, since that and charge are what you would be attacking with using a standard build.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: oops  

oso wrote:
I meant while using zeal as attack, since that and charge are what you would be attacking with using a standard build.

? Using clegs sword it reachs 5fpa bp with 50%ias

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0 %   7   3.5
8 %   6   4.1
42 %   5   5


It's well know that lvl 15 zealots get the same bp with Crystal(Azure) and Long(Clegs) since they can't use Twitch

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject:  

AHA! Thank you for making me go back and try it with cleglaws, I had assumed that -10 weapon speed was the equivalent of adding 10 to IAS, but this is of course not the case.

The FPA Tables for a crystal sword are:

Code:
0 %   7   3.5
20 %   6   4.1
63 %   5   5


So with a crystal sword, deaths hand/sash do nothing, but with a pick or cleglaws they hit the 5 FPA break-point. Thanks for being patient. And for anyone thinking of using a crystal sword, DON'T DO IT![/code]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject:  

stop using old calc..

titan seals speed calc
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc_titanseal/speedcalc_english.php


0 wsm (crystal)

%ias ________ frames per hit ______ hits per second
Code:
0   7/7/7/7/14   2.97
9   7/7/7/7/13   3.04
19   7/7/7/7/12   3.12
20   6/6/6/6/12   3.47
32   6/6/6/6/11   3.57
54   6/6/6/6/10   3.67
63   5/5/5/5/10   4.16
86   5/5/5/5/9   4.31
152   5/5/5/5/8   4.46
200   4/4/4/4/8   5.2



-10 wsm (pick)
Code:
0   7/7/7/7/13   3.04
7   7/7/7/7/12   3.12
8   6/6/6/6/12   3.47
18   6/6/6/6/11   3.57
35   6/6/6/6/10   3.67
42   5/5/5/5/10   4.16
60   5/5/5/5/9   4.31
109   5/5/5/5/8   4.46
142   4/4/4/4/8   5.2


zeal is a complete rollback attack with a 1st motion (repeated 4 times) and the final swing. each can have a frame removed, (ofc losing 1 off the end is not as cool as 1 off the initial 4 swings)




here is what JAB(icomplete roll-back attack)
70-80ias -10wsm, an looks lik

with -10wsm
noias 23 frames 7.66
10ias 21 frames 7
20ias 19 frames 6.33
30ias 18 frames 6
40ias 17 frames 5.66
50ias 16 frames 5.33
60ias 16 frames 5.33
70ias 15 frames 5
80ias 15 frames 5
90ias 14 frames 4.66


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject:  

hey, thats good stuff. Thanks for the better calculator. So I guess a crystal sword receives a very slight increase in attack, (2 ticks) while a -10 wep receives a modest increase (5 ticks). Thank you for clearing that up.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject:  

oso wrote:
hey, thats good stuff. Thanks for the better calculator. So I guess a crystal sword receives a very slight increase in attack, (2 ticks) while a -10 wep receives a modest increase (5 ticks). Thank you for clearing that up.
you are welcome but ticks? im not sure what that means...though the difference between 0 wsm (50ias) and -10wsm(50ias) is .59 attack per second. which more importantly means an effective increase of (3.57 - 4.16) / 3.57 =
+16.5% dps

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