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[Jerkazoid]

i want to make a 30jabber and i was using this
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english
but i was suscpicious that although the ias breaks might be accurate, the frame # is not bc in 1.10 jab became a 3 hit attack, not 2 hits..

so i DL fraps and did a some testing
i have an SWF animation from fraps videos where i explored breaks with a -10wsm jav

0 upto 90 ias

the breaks are as follows

with -10wsm
noias 23 frames 7.66
10ias 21 frames 7
20ias 19 frames 6.33
30ias 18 frames 6
40ias 17 frames 5.66
50ias 16 frames 5.33
60ias 16 frames 5.33
70ias 15 frames 5
80ias 15 frames 5
90ias 14 frames 4.66

i am debating 50/70/90 ias breaks and what is the dps and unterruptible advantages etc... 90ias was not even listed on the calc as a break so im glad i did that test.

i also have the exact frames for when the hit occurs for the 70ias (i think im going for 70 on my build, but maybe 50 is better for 3 jewel armor) in the 15 frames its 3,8,13
this was tested by striking a monster with 100% deadly and seeing when the spark appears

this means in the 15 frame action its always the 3rd frame of each 5 frame jab. pretty easy to see in this image i made

[edit; updated image link]

with the final frame the idle pose. this idle must play inbetween each actions, so even though it looks like only 14 frames are used for the 3hits there is frame 15 inbetween multiple jabs sequences.


i am 100% positive that frame 1,2 and 15 leave you open for Dodge/avoid/block/recovery
and im certain at frames 1 and 2 you are able to be interrupted... only at frame 3 (after the "hit" is done) will the game refuse to stop the motion until it ends; hence uniterruptible

can anyone host the swf? its about 990kb (google sites doesnt accept swf so i cant put it there)

[meitou]

Interesting. I have always felt that 40ias jab is faster than 30ias with a -10wsm java.

[krajee]

Zharous might be willing to host that swf

[Jerkazoid]

its prob not neccesarym it just shows each attack as i add ias, and then u can play it frame by frame.

the deadly test to see the hit is not included and i only did it on the 70ias version... so thats no help


to clarify the 70ias is therefore better(imo) expressed as 3/5/5 +2

with the first hit is on 3 and it turns uniterruptible
5 frames latter another hit
another 5 the last hit
then 1 more frame to end the motion
1 frame idle pose.
total is 15 or 5 frames per attack.

ALL attacks have uniterruptible qualities , and all uniterruptible attacks have interruptible areas

the term here is used to tell the user that since its a multi hitting attack once 1 attack is done the rest MUST play. how its used on such things as Concentration i havent a clue, could be a special case. i hardly ever see conc barbs interrupted but since i playd a zon alot in 1.09 i saw it happen often, usually with dodge, though dodge has that power sadly, sometimes with block

something like a 9frame sac doesnt become uniterrutpible untill maybe frame 4, once that happens the paladin must swing through the other 5... but since its only a single 9 frame attack you are vulnerable to interruption (a diff motion) 4 out of 9 frames

a 15 frame jab is likely vulnerable 2/15 frames
a 6 frame zeal your vulnerable maybe 2/30

[meitou]

From experience I know these and only these are uninterruptible: Smite, Zeal, Concentrate.

[rectty]

very nice jerkazoid.
im -10 wsm +30 ias so im uninteruptable as well then at lvl 9 ^^.

[Dan The Man]

Soooo....what you're saying is a 10%ias War Javelin is actually faster err better than a 20%ias War Javelin with a accumulative amount of 70%ias?

[Jerkazoid]

i dont understand your question

[dainbramage]

[Jerkazoid]

[meitou]

huh?

[Jerkazoid]

[dainbramage]

'8/4' zeal is 3/4/4/4/4 + 5.

Yes, complete rollback happens on the action frame, and resets back to the idle. Very jerky, but it's not particularly noticeable until you slow it down.

Conc and smite have some flag which causes the fhr flag to be ignored. It's not the same mechanic as applies to rollback attacks.


IIRC, pallies, sins and barbs have complete rollbacks for zeal, whereas the other classes use incomplete (unsure off the top of my head about necros and vampires, thought it's pretty irrelevant). This explains why you're whiffing with the zon. All the gory details are here (which you should remember :p).



TitanSeal's calc has data for everything except vampire attack speeds, and still uses the old strafe data (I've PM'd him about strafe). Other than that, it's exhaustive; however note that it'll only allow zeal to show up if you're wielding a weapon that can support passion (and the same for other oskill attacks).

[Jerkazoid]

[dainbramage]

I don't think it's ever been tested as to whether you can gain frames through hit recovery, though it's such a rare occurrence that I doubt there'd be a special check to see if FHR is actually speeding you up.



You're probably best off using impale on a zon with 600 fhr if you want to test it.