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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:36 pm    Post subject:  

has anyone here ever tried to make a really slow barb and done long ww?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:42 pm    Post subject:  

Belarathon wrote:
but your frw doesnt make you ww faster


Heh, take a running start and ww. Now take a walking start and ww. It doesn't look like it, but you move at different speeds. It doesn't look any different, but if you have enough frw you can desynch your ww because all ww's are slowed in their animation to the same speed. In actuality, you continue moving at the same speed you were before ww'ing, therefore you can be half-way across the screen from someone and hit them w/ your ww if you have enough frw. Desynch ww barbs are so damn hard to beat...seriously bel, try dropping 20x 5 frw scs on Dizzy and testing this...namelock someone who is running away...you wont catch up to them on your screen, but they will get hit...

I've done it, enig+40frw boots+cats eye vs bowa's who arent using as much frw...you can seriously hit them from a screen away.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject:  

yea more frw affects ww it seems to me when i played on my high lvl conc barb(using ww that is) and ya the ww/zon thing is pretty funny in pubs sometimes cause they die and they say wth you werent even close so imo its pretty much like desynch imo
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject:  

I'll edit errors and add a BvA section when I get time.

Bel, try the no frw thing, you'll be amazed. Viet made a cheap cheap 37 barb with slow desynch and mine had premo gear bva, and that was a tough duel. Only way I could beat him is with a bow, rofl.

Atsod does not > Sback in bvb duels, its like having 48 more max dmg over 50% OW, and atd (it helps Razz)

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject:  

Range 3, OW, and CB help alot in BvB but I think I second whoever said your going to need atleast 1x angelic ring + ammy with that. Even with max mastery and lots of Max/ar/life or stat charm WW has low ar.

Granted the +1/19dex/19str/life ammy is a sexy peice of gear, and you could easily make a BvA with that.... the ammy & +2warcry/12 str weapons on switch to equip IK gloves belt etc... but how badly does your ar take a hit?

I was using a +ww/visionary helm, angelic ammy + 1ring, 100ar/str/80mana ring setup (although my charms are far from perf... alot of 10/60+/6str GCs with life SCs ontop) and I was usually ~6k ar. Either I'm missing something obvious or going no angelics at all should put your AR down quite low.


Also, why not shout? It extends the time your shout and BO lasts for every point into it. Sure it could run out in a long duel, but so could your BO without the time synergy...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:53 pm    Post subject:  

KnightXENO2 wrote:
Also, why not shout? It extends the time your shout and BO lasts for every point into it. Sure it could run out in a long duel, but so could your BO without the time synergy...


i knew there was something i wanted to say when i read it but i forgot when i started typing the post. i would also max shout to make the duration of BO longer and as a extra bonus it's helpful for team mates. you could live with your shout running out but if your BO runs out its basically game over.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject:  

You do need some increased speed even for BvB build when the barb is using goblin toe. I deleted a BvB barb only because I didn't have increased speed.

Swordback shield really is better than 72max shield. You can put 15max/50AR jewel in it. And 64damage/8sec is better overall.

I still think 2shael/4eth naga is best BvB weapon.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject:  

I tried both shields and I found them both to work about the same, I ended with the same life every duel. And I don't know, I remember reading on blizzard's website once in the FAQ's one of the FAQ's was "How can I ww faster like Talic?" or something and they replied that you can't
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject:  

Talic and those other guys are cool Sad.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject:  

Bump, somewhat closed to being finished, but I never finish anything. If anyone has comments/suggestionspost/pm and lmk.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject:  

for the bvc
Switch: 2 Spirit weapons, or +2 warcry weapons.

what about second switch? a rare tspear or some sort of throwing weapon just for single throw if they are always out there somewhere and you want to keep them awake?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject:  

Well, I felt if I would have added that to guide people would have thought it was a requirement. Having 2 second switches would require prebuff bo/multiple trips to stash, which would be rather annoying, on top of these 3 things
1. If theres someone that runs enough that you find a throwing object necessary, odds are your bo will end before duel is over.
2. Lack of ar/decent dmg on the javs (unless you put into mastery and stuff)
3. It would be more benefitial to just get more frw. My bva relys deeply on the ww lock bug, which should help you catch most people.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject:  

What Imp said Wink

Not to mention the fact that switching weps to throw may screw you if the person catches up to you before you get a chance to switch back to wep/shield

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject:  

hehe... i remember i used to play classic, and i had a lvl 30 ww barb. I dueled another lvl 30, and he was a melee killer. All he did was sit there and let me ww him, cuz he had swordback. he had crazy defense cuz he had like a crazy good rare ornate plate and grim helm. He killed me just by lettng me ww him.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject:  

Is upd swordback > holy grim of deflect for bvb?
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