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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject:  Start MLD maybe - Hammerdin
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Hai!

So.. I had some items laying around for a couple months(years?) and I decided to try H/MLD.

This jewel i hab I even posted here a couple months ago... 7 FHR/ 9 Str/ 9 Dex.. should I use it on VMagi or just put in a wiz for HLD? Just wondering what would be the best use(like something alot of builds would use) of it.
(this one doesn't seem to need the fhr from jewel due to dual spirit)
Anyway.. this is a rough idea...

Weapon: 35% Spirit Long Sword
Shield: 35 Spirit Gilded Shield 45% res (will try to get a Sacred Targe later)
Armor: ViperMagi with that jewel?
Boots: WaterWalks
Gloves: Trangs
Belt: Fcr Belt*
Ammy: Skill/Life/Mana/Stats*
Helm: Skill/Life/Mana/Stats circlet*
Rings: Soj/Raven
Inventory: 25-30 Life Pcombs, 20 Life Scs with res/mana/dmg**
Switch: Insight?**

*Should i get the rest of FCR for 125% from belt or circlet/ammy?
**would a libby work with Hoz/ Oath or Fools-cruel on switch?

48+ 12 = 60 Skills
Max Conc
Max BHammer
1 H Shield
rest into Bless Aim
(still hab to think this right to get the optimum layout)


Am I missing some stash gear, like shaft for dr% or something to stack res?

Meh.. I know there are too many hammerdins out there but I just wanted to use this gear Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:26 am    Post subject:  

max conc%$#@? max vigor for double synnergy as well as easier desynch ty
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject:  

i would go liby...otherwise your just asking to be bowed...and no...dont max vigor...thats moronic...granted it synergieses both hammers and charge and you want points in it...however...each pt in vigor = 20% ED for charge and 14% ed for hammers, lvl 20 concin is 345% ED for both...SO, a smart thing to do would be to to split the points up

try this

20 hammer, 1 charge, 1 pre reqs, 15 concin, 15 vigor. equals out to 58 points with no HS (i wouldnt use HS for max block, charge lock is annoying)...all you need in charge is 1 point, belive me...lol...this offers you a wide range of gain, you get the 210% hammer ED and 300% charge ED, as well as the additional 270% ED from concin at only lvl15. once geared it can be well over 400%, all the while still getting good frw bost from vigor.

your gear looks right, mld hdins are basicly the same as lld ones, just with a few different items. in your vmagi i would say a 15% all res / fhr or stat jewel, such as yours.

also, what level do you plan on going to for mld? 49>58 -.- lol

i just cant see where 57s and 58s can call themselfs MLD when 1/2 their gear is the same thing used by hlds...cta, exile, ect...lawl and then the random 59ers! "grief and fort are MLD, kay!?" lol i hate that crap...most 59 chars with grief/fort are pumpin out around 6-7k damage out of those things...its nuts...there is no way i can even for a second consider them to be MLD

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject:  

Thanks for the input guys Very Happy

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max conc%$#@? max vigor for double synnergy as well as easier desynch ty

I decided to max conc to use along with charge, like Annihilation- said.

Annihilation- wrote:
try this

20 hammer, 1 charge, 1 pre reqs, 15 concin, 15 vigor. equals out to 58 points with no HS (i wouldnt use HS for max block, charge lock is annoying)...all you need in charge is 1 point, belive me...lol...this offers you a wide range of gain, you get the 210% hammer ED and 300% charge ED, as well as the additional 270% ED from concin at only lvl15. once geared it can be well over 400%, all the while still getting good frw bost from vigor.

Hm.. Thats absolutly better, I totally forgot vigor is a charge sinergy Razz, I could only think of bless aim passive bonus ar, ty <3


Annihilation- wrote:
your gear looks right, mld hdins are basicly the same as lld ones, just with a few different items. in your vmagi i would say a 15% all res / fhr or stat jewel, such as yours.

Do I'll need fhr from jewel? dual spirit already gives me enough to hit 86% bp.
Would that be useful for ugh.. sorcs or nado-druids? otherwise I might just sock it into something else and get another jewel for vmagi.


Annihilation- wrote:
also, what level do you plan on going to for mld? 49>58 -.- lol

heh sorry, forgot to mention that
I was looking into 49, might go 42 if i find some weap better than oath(I think that's the only lvl 49 req item on the build)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject:  

na there is no need for the fhr jewel, i would use 15 res jewels with random other mods you may desire.

for charge, dont go oath...oaths have annoying str reqs and your a hammerdin with low stats and mostly vit, so thats not going to work for you, beyond that you dont need the damage from oath, with all of the %ED modifiers on charge/concin its over kill for the low life (arond 1k) targets you will be charging. you could use an insight staff on switch if you were brave enough and could switch quickly from inisght back to hammer/shield. but thats hard to do...and mostly wont work against zons, so i recomend either a non eth, or an eth butchers pillar...

One-Hand Damage: (55-60) To (132-149) (93.5-104.5 Avg)
Required Level: 39
Required Strength: 68
Range: 2
Base Weapon Speed: [10]
+150-200% Enhanced Damage (varies)
Adds 30-50 Damage
35% Deadly Strike
25% Chance of Open Wounds
30% Increased Attack Speed
Indestructible
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

its quite nice really...gives you deadly strike and open wounds, as well as some IAS,

lets play the game of math shal we!

lets take the average of 100 (for rounding) damage and figure your charge damage im going to use 650% charge damage, which is with only +6 skills

(100) * (1+.68str+4.20concin+6.50) theres no ED on gear, so none added into the equation.

(100) * 12.38
1238 damage charge...maybe 1.4-1.5k if its eth...
as that is, its enough to deal over 200 damage to life per charge not counting deadly strike, which would double that to over 400 damage to life

granted this may not seem like much damage, but is it worth the +like 50 more str to use an oath? 50 str = 150 life lost...if your willing to take the 150 life loss then your damage would be more like this w/ an oath sc...

200 average (wild guess atm, but its close)

(200) * 13.38 (added more for str increase)
2676 charge damage. which is 400 damage to life, however no deadly strike or open wounds.

really its up to you, but i would personaly go for the lower req

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject:  

im a big fan of butcher myself for lvl 39's, but not for 49. also, it cant drop eth since it's indestructible. you'd be better off making oath in a low str req weapon
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject:  

thats a thought, however...oath is ladder only =P

i didnt realize it couldnt drop eth since its indes...i suppose etheral edge is just eth because...its supposed to be =P lol

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject:  

exactly, same with ghost flame or whatever that dagger is. but any item that is indestructible (CoA, tyreals, any phase blade, storm shield, etc.) cannot spawn as eth.

and i dont know if he's talking about L or NL so my comment stands Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject:  

true, he didnt say =P...i would guess a war axe would work alright...
its low req...can be eth =P, and can get 4os...

lets see the damage potential...

14 average base, times eth .5 = 7 + 14 - 21 average

21 * 320% = 88 average damage could work well...still think it would just be eaiser to either go with a butchers or just suck it up and get the str for the oath sc...really...if your gona use an oath at all...just go with the sc...the only thing that gives the butcher any leaverage in this is its deadly strike...which puts is damage potential up there with oath...but since no DS on a oath...theres no real reason to use a war axe...so in such a case sc oath > any easy possibilities

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:05 am    Post subject:  

whenever you're done making this char lmk and i'll go dueling with you if you're on east nl =\ but yeah all the stuff said above should help you
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject:  

hong has a point with passive ar from blessed aim...
i agree with anni's half n half conc n vigor mix but all that damage needs to be able to hit. wheres the ar going to come from folks?
I suggest a small splurge into blessed aim (3-5 points at least).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject:  

he wouldnt only need mabye 5k AR tops, which shouldnt be hard to get with charge


rest into bless aim would be nice, maybe a 13/13 insted of 15/15 and then divert the 4 points along with 2 of the remaing 3 left over into bless aim, and the last point into salvation, which i think all pallys should have

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject:  

Thanks for the imputs guys <3
I will go 42 then ._. (except if I find some awesome rare weapon)
I remember having an eth Headstriker, and that may work while I look for a perf butcher/rare weapon.
One-Hand Damage: 40 To (86-184) (63-112 Avg)
Required Level: 39
Required Strength: 92
Required Dexterity: 43
Durability: 32
Base Weapon Speed: [0]
150% Enhanced Damage
+ (1 Per Character Level) 1-99 To Maximum Damage (Based On Character Level)
(1.5 Per Character Level) 1-148 % Deadly Strike (Based On Character Level)
Prevent Monster Heal
+15 To Strength
(Only Spawns In Patch 1.09 or later)

On a side note, I aaaaaalways wanted a perf eth Ginther's Rift Sad Its just so cute!

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