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| Mr_Bilson |
 Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject:
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you used to get some fg just for posting on his site....
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| wfg-dude |
| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:06 am Post subject:
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Anything is possible if they don't know about it. Paul, I'm sure, is pretty protective of his fg economy and wants the $$ to stay in his pocket. But, there are ways around it cuz I've seen ppl buy something on jsp for fg and resell on ebay for $$ (until ebay discontinued the sale of D2 items).
I wouldn't wanna take the chance of losing fg, but, u understand that bored kids nowadays can figure a million ways to ruin a game LOL. I play HALO2 with these kids that obviously ahve hacked boxes because they seem to be stronger than everyone else x2-3. So, some idiot is probably making a fortune selling xbox hacks to kids just as Paul is making $$ selling Diablo hacks and providing an online trading arena.
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| breakbeatz2 |
| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:22 am Post subject:
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Yeah you need to be super sneaky if you're going to try selling fg.
I'm sure it's possible though.
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| ThatGuy |
| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:19 am Post subject:
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That's also against the rules. I believe Zolas lost all his FG because of that?
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| wfg-dude |
| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:27 am Post subject:
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You only have to donate if u want a cdkey for his hack program. I've never donated but I'm up to close to 5k fg from selling stuff.
You, CAN, by the way sell your fg for $$. You can't do it via jsp but u CAN. For instance, lets say for every $1 u donate Paul will give u 1fg... well, just like anything else if I'm willing to sell at a discount of say .75 per fg then I could get someone I know to give me $$ via paypal for my fg.
Like Dao said, it is a way for someone to accumulate e-wealth quickly without having to trade away mules full of stuff. It's time-value of money.
I love playing the game when I'm dueling or even sometimes when I'm clearing an act. But, I hate muling, mf'ing, trading, etc just to get the items I want in order to play. So, it might be worth it to me to pay actual $$ in order to become instantly where I want to be.
Look, we all pay money in one way or another to play. So, either take up kick the can (I won't go into cost of can rofl) or stfu and break out your Visa and have some pixel fun!
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| breakbeatz2 |
| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:45 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | | alright, you guys still haven't adressed my last point...why the HELL does he ask for donations? fg costs him NOTHING |
Because he wants to make money. It's pretty simple.
When a plumber comes over to your house and fixes your sink he charges you money. Do you get mad at him because it didn't cost him anything?
You'r paying for a service. It's a pretty common thing to do in life, so get used to it.
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| ubermoose |
| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:45 am Post subject:
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I dont see a problem with asking for donations.
Also, i think, not 100% sure, that he has a fg "bank" with a set amount of fg in it. Whenever you buy a bold/red title or play the raffle or buy yourself a colored name, it all goes back into the bank. That would also account for the sometimes fluctuating price of fg.
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| darcanegel |
| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:25 pm Post subject:
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alright, you guys still haven't adressed my last point...why the HELL does he ask for donations? fg costs him NOTHING. how is buying fg ANY different from donating from his perspective? why would he ask anyone to donate when he can click a button (figuratively, i'm guessing it's all automated) and give them an equivalent amount of fg? it's the DONTIONS that are BS. the actual concept of fg, real money, etc is a little more hazy.
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| FreemanKind |
| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:06 am Post subject:
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[quote="darcanegel"]
and fgg is NOT like soj's, fg is like SoJs bought off ebay. except worse, because the ppl selling the SoJs at least did SOME work for it.
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Fg won't poof, mass duped sojs will.
Also, for along time you couldn't buy fg, you built it up over time with post counts like 1/4 a fg for each post or 1/2. Its somewhat a recent thing, when i joind jsp in 05 you couldn't buy fg with real money, it started after the first ladder reset, or was it the second...
As for donations, You can have other ppl donate in your name. I did this so i can play the raffle, which has won me over 400fg.
The main reason i joined was for realm to realm trades. Its so much easier to sell nl gear for fg then buy lad gear or east or hardcore or euro gear.
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| ubermoose |
| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject:
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| Roy wrote: | | Quote: | | Who actually can sell money? |
Money exchangers, for one. |
Yeah you got me, i think a better example for me would have been: Currency exchangers need a licence to do it. Njag is the same, he just doesnt give any [licences] out.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | By definition you cant force a donation. |
To gain the privilege of buying FG with money, you must first donate $5 to njaguar. So he can and does force you to donate to him. |
I typed out quite lot for this one, but i deleted it just because i was just going in circles. But ill say it again, he doesnt force you to donate. Maybe Njag is a bit semantically wrong on the site because most of the time its not really a donation.
| Quote: | Much of this debate boils down to a simple preference: how much should Diablo be influenced by real-life currency? Buying FG with their Visa card is one of the easiest ways for people to accumulate e-wealth.*
* We can also get into the ethics of an using an e-currency that is supported largely by botting, duping, scamming, and other questionable behavior/violations of the B.Net ToS. But that's not really the focus of this particular conversation. |
I agree, personally i dont think "real" money should be involved. But anywhere where there is a possibility of making money you will get people trying to do just that.
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| Roy |
| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:43 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | | Who actually can sell money? |
Money exchangers, for one.
| Quote: | | By definition you cant force a donation. |
To gain the privilege of buying FG with money, you must first donate $5 to njaguar. So he can and does force you to donate to him.
Much of this debate boils down to a simple preference: how much should Diablo be influenced by real-life currency? Buying FG with their Visa card is one of the easiest ways for people to accumulate e-wealth.*
* We can also get into the ethics of an using an e-currency that is supported largely by botting, duping, scamming, and other questionable behavior/violations of the B.Net ToS. But that's not really the focus of this particular conversation.
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| ubermoose |
| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject:
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| darcanegel wrote: |
fg is regarded as valueless to anyone not on jsp. |
Well, to me, a live pig is valueless, but not to everyone.
| Quote: | | njaguar won't let anyone sell fg, so it's a one-way exchange. |
Who actually can sell money?
| Quote: | | njauguar is a private company, as compared to a gov which is (in theory) the will of the people. |
The banks dont chnage when the government changes [well, not much]
| Quote: | | njaguar asks for (and in some cases forces) donations of REAL money. |
By definition you cant force a donation.
| Quote: | | fg has never been anything other than an electronic nothingness. |
Only in the sense that your bank account is electronic nothingness.
| Quote: | | and fgg is NOT like soj's, fg is like SoJs bought off ebay. except worse, because the ppl selling the SoJs at least did SOME work for it. |
If you only use the sojs for trading, then its pretty damn close. Each currency is useful in seperate situations.
| Quote: | | that's my opinion anyway. my main problem with it is that njaguar demands real money for fg (yes, i know most people don't pay for it but as far as i can tell most if it was originally bought). they're selling nothing for something. |
How dare he sell his product for money, the thought of someone selling something that is in essence infinitely reproducible is terrible. [hint; all digital media falls into this category].
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| darcanegel |
| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject:
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alright, i gave this a lot more thought (since i forgot to wear my ipod while excercising, lol) and I don't think that my problem w/ it is the fg, or how they sell nothing for something, although ethically i think that's borderline at best. My main problem is that they ask for DONATIONS. that is BS. it's a corporation, not an organization, and since he doesn't lose ANYTHING WHATSOEVER by giving people fg, how is buying fg ANY different than donating, except that w/ donating you don't get anything at all?
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| dragonfire_god |
| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:21 am Post subject:
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No one is forcing you to own fg.
No one has been forced to donate money for fg, they do it because they want to.
You think sojs are really different then fg? how so? If bnet decided to close the d2 servers then anyone with sojs would be out of luck....fg is used in more then just d2 FYI.
He is not selling nothing for something, he is selling a means to get what you want and making a buck in the process. He has the upkeep of his website to take care of too....so in essence he works for his money....is it really much different then a music artist that records one song and sells a million copies of it?
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| Me! |
| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:01 am Post subject:
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| Dao Jones wrote: | | if d2jsp closed up tomorrow everyone who "donated" money would be left out in the cold. |
D2jsp is so big site and i bet njaguar makes few bucks out of it i dont think its gonna close enytime soon and without meny alarming signs.
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